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To be fascinated by the "carnivore" diet

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CakeCrumbs44 · 01/08/2022 13:48

I've just discovered today that there is a diet called the carnivore diet which is basically anti-vegan. They ONLY eat meat, some of them eat animal products such as dairy, tallow, eggs.

Snack suggestions include "candy" made from frozen browned butter, eating solid tallow straight from the fridge, drinking bone broth and most recently chicken "pizza" where the base is made from blended chicken, cheese and eggs, the topping is cheese sauce without flour and then topped with cheese and dipped in more cheese sauce.

Anyone seen this, is it actually real or are these people just doing it for Instagram? What are the supposed health benefits?

instagram.com/itscourtneyluna?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

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Same1977 · 02/08/2022 07:28

Funkyblues101 · 02/08/2022 07:20

Some indigenous communities are wholly carnivore in winter but to get the full range of nutrients humans need then the entire animal has to be consumed including all the offal. Not many westerners prepared to do that. Snout to tail, no thanks. Paleo or keto far more realistic for reducing inflammation and feeding our bodies.

If you look into it they eat wild meat.After many studies it shows that something to do with bacteria and parasites they have seal off fats etc leaving them healthier than average American consuming the same amount of meat.Also in order to obtain that meat they do heavy exercise.
I'm not a doctor but there is an odd catch 22 there.So it would work as long as you go out hunting yourself

FurAndFeathers · 02/08/2022 07:28

@ShhDoNotTell
you’re wrong - carnivores consume fur/feathers which act as roughage on their digestive system and promote a healthy microbiome.

they also consume stomach contents of herbivores that they kill.

does the human carnivore diet mimic those experiences?

continueorterminate · 02/08/2022 07:29

CakeCrumbs44 · 01/08/2022 14:35

Interesting, do you have any studies you recommend reading with evidence for the health benefits please?

For the science of keto, which is not as extreme as carnivore, follow Dr. Eric Berg on Facebook. He has millions of videos explaining in detail just about every health topic you can think of.
I'm 40, been dieting for approximately 30 years. After steadily gaining my whole life I have just lost my first ever stone following Dr. Bergs advice. And I feel amazing on this diet. It isn't carnivore though but that may be useful for some people for a short burst to get into ketosis

Same1977 · 02/08/2022 07:32

Humans are primates.Look ar our closest relatives to get an idea what our diet should be looking like surely.

Siameasy · 02/08/2022 07:37

I did keto for a while and started to try carnivore but to be honest it was so boring. I did become extremely slim though.

I now do IF and less strictly, low carb .I’m still slim and have lots of energy so it’s a happy medium.

Read The Vegetarian Myth-interesting book.

TheVolturi · 02/08/2022 07:48

It sounds just like the Atkins diet? Lots of people tried Atkins diet around 18-20 years ago. It was basically zero carbs. All meat. You could eat butter and cheese but only full fat ones so no spread etc. Lots of eggs. My husband decided it was the diet for him and used to have a full fry up for breakfast, omelette for lunch and a mixed grill for dinner. Cost a fortune in meat and didn't do him any favours health wise.

arrogantorwhat37 · 02/08/2022 07:57

ShhDoNotTell · 01/08/2022 14:40

How do you think other animals manage? You don’t need fibre to shit.

You need a certain amount of fibre. And the human body's requirements are quite different to those of fish, animal or fowl

Rewis · 02/08/2022 07:57

Properly browned caramelised butter is so good on top of ice-cream!

fUNNYfACE36 · 02/08/2022 08:01

Is it not basically the Duran diet which has been around for ages and has a good success rate?

fUNNYfACE36 · 02/08/2022 08:01

*Dukan

HyperionWarbonnet · 02/08/2022 08:03

Same1977 · 02/08/2022 07:32

Humans are primates.Look ar our closest relatives to get an idea what our diet should be looking like surely.

Our closest relative is the Chimpanzee and they eat meat.

The benefit they have over us is they still retain the ability to tell when a plant contains toxins though. We eat what is put in front of us or marketed to us without a second thought and therein lies the issue. Seed oils are especially inflammatory and damaging.

Because plants can't run away or use claws and teeth they contain compounds to discourage them from being eaten. Gluten is a common allergen and people are starting to hear about lectins now too but they are just two of a myriad.

In some people, these antinutrients cause inflammation in all the body, either directly or as a result of breaking down the tight junctions in the gut. Some of them cross the blood brain barrier and are indicated in one of the three forms of Alzheimers disease. Once you have leaky gut, the contents gets into the bloodstream causing mayhem at a cellular level leading to anything from mild pain and stiffness to rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia and other autoimmune conditions.

Five minutes on a good FB group that promotes the Cx lifestyle will have you reading about people who are able to come off the likes of Methotrexate etc. after nine months carni. They started to excrete the inflammatory factors from the minute they stopped eating the plant based products that contained the thing making them ill and once gone and not replaced, their tissues start to heal.

The reason the PPs friend had bad breath to the point the poster decided to call her on it was that the friend would have been in ketosis. Ketosis is a natural state that we are designed to dip in and out of depending on the availability of food. The friend was merely burning her fat stores. We can't use our fat stores without going into ketosis and we can't go into ketosis in the presence of insulin so while we keep eating and releasing insulin, we hang on to the fat.

Carnivore works and is safe. We don't need fibre and in a lot of people it is positively contraindicated. On the Cx diet the need for vitamin C drops too.

Anyone saying it's gross etc. but has not gone at least 90 days 100% carnivore should not put off others with terrible chronic pain and brain fog and issues with PCOS etc. The benefits of carnivore, if they were in a drug, would be a trillion dollar prospect and the benefits of this way of eating is partly why fasting makes people feel so amazing. They have removed from their body and thus their immune system, the endless insult of plant antinutrients that their body is trying to tell them is slowly poisoning them.

Don't knock it til you've tried it. It doesn't work for everybody but fasting and the Cx diet can reverse and remove a lot of the really bad diseases of the modern age. Read Grain Brain by Dr. Perlmutter as a start to understanding but there's a host of websites that promote this way of life and explain why it is thought to work.

When you are only 42 but every part of you hurts and you have psoriasis and arthritis and you feel twice your age, you will try anything but even if you just wish to use it as a tool as the ultimate elimination diet and a stand point to then add back in plants after a month or two in order to find out why you have rosacea or abdominal bloating or whatever ails you, it is genuinely amazing.

Most people that use it have started from a point of desperation and should not have scorn heaped upon them. They are human. They are designed to eat meat.

SomePosters · 02/08/2022 08:05

ShhDoNotTell · 01/08/2022 14:33

I’ve done carnivore on and off (I’m usually ketovore, which is a more extreme keto). I’ve lost lots of weight, my skin is great, and a number of health issues have vanished. There is no evidence it’s bad for the heart, and plenty of evidence to suggest it’s good for it.

I can assure there is swimmings pools of evidence that a high meat diet is bad for your cardiovascular system

in every country that has increased their meat intake drastically over the last few decades rates of cardiovascular issues rise correspondingly. Sometimes it gets called the Mac Donald’s affect

notanothertakeaway · 02/08/2022 08:11

Is carnivore diet the 21st century version of the Atkins diet?

SomePosters · 02/08/2022 08:12

HyperionWarbonnet · 02/08/2022 08:03

Our closest relative is the Chimpanzee and they eat meat.

The benefit they have over us is they still retain the ability to tell when a plant contains toxins though. We eat what is put in front of us or marketed to us without a second thought and therein lies the issue. Seed oils are especially inflammatory and damaging.

Because plants can't run away or use claws and teeth they contain compounds to discourage them from being eaten. Gluten is a common allergen and people are starting to hear about lectins now too but they are just two of a myriad.

In some people, these antinutrients cause inflammation in all the body, either directly or as a result of breaking down the tight junctions in the gut. Some of them cross the blood brain barrier and are indicated in one of the three forms of Alzheimers disease. Once you have leaky gut, the contents gets into the bloodstream causing mayhem at a cellular level leading to anything from mild pain and stiffness to rheumatoid arthritis, fibromyalgia and other autoimmune conditions.

Five minutes on a good FB group that promotes the Cx lifestyle will have you reading about people who are able to come off the likes of Methotrexate etc. after nine months carni. They started to excrete the inflammatory factors from the minute they stopped eating the plant based products that contained the thing making them ill and once gone and not replaced, their tissues start to heal.

The reason the PPs friend had bad breath to the point the poster decided to call her on it was that the friend would have been in ketosis. Ketosis is a natural state that we are designed to dip in and out of depending on the availability of food. The friend was merely burning her fat stores. We can't use our fat stores without going into ketosis and we can't go into ketosis in the presence of insulin so while we keep eating and releasing insulin, we hang on to the fat.

Carnivore works and is safe. We don't need fibre and in a lot of people it is positively contraindicated. On the Cx diet the need for vitamin C drops too.

Anyone saying it's gross etc. but has not gone at least 90 days 100% carnivore should not put off others with terrible chronic pain and brain fog and issues with PCOS etc. The benefits of carnivore, if they were in a drug, would be a trillion dollar prospect and the benefits of this way of eating is partly why fasting makes people feel so amazing. They have removed from their body and thus their immune system, the endless insult of plant antinutrients that their body is trying to tell them is slowly poisoning them.

Don't knock it til you've tried it. It doesn't work for everybody but fasting and the Cx diet can reverse and remove a lot of the really bad diseases of the modern age. Read Grain Brain by Dr. Perlmutter as a start to understanding but there's a host of websites that promote this way of life and explain why it is thought to work.

When you are only 42 but every part of you hurts and you have psoriasis and arthritis and you feel twice your age, you will try anything but even if you just wish to use it as a tool as the ultimate elimination diet and a stand point to then add back in plants after a month or two in order to find out why you have rosacea or abdominal bloating or whatever ails you, it is genuinely amazing.

Most people that use it have started from a point of desperation and should not have scorn heaped upon them. They are human. They are designed to eat meat.

When someone has looked at just enough science to know what it’s supposed to look like without comprehending any of it… this is what gets spewed back.

I am studying this shit right now, doing exams in it and you couldn’t have missed the points more dramatically if you just followed unqualified tits on Facebook instead of reading journals like nature and following longitudinal multi-discipline studies like ZOE

high meat consumption is killing is. Not only directly through increasing heart problems but indirectly through the anti biotics required to factory farm enough innocent creatures to fed the demand for meat with every meal.

i am not and will never be vegan. I eat meat but no more than 10% of your diet should be meat

FinallyHere · 02/08/2022 08:19

Purpleavocado · 01/08/2022 14:37

surely they must be constipated? there is no fibre

This was my first concern

SomePosters · 02/08/2022 08:26

This meta study looked at more than 230,000 participants and concluded that the association with ishaemic stroke is beyond that which could occur by chance.

Once your looking at data it’s pretty unarguable. It’s one thing this study showing this and another study showing that. When you combine the results of studies and look at the big picture there is no room for confusion

www.nature.com/articles/ejcn2012180

Blondebakingmumma · 02/08/2022 08:29

for those wanting to know- I’m not constipated! 😂

Blondebakingmumma · 02/08/2022 08:36

Interestingly I was listening to Dr Miki Ben-Dor talk about his research About human evolution and nutrition. He believes we should be eating a meat based diet.
open.spotify.com/episode/7qWpN94NJGfBJFFgdka1SQ?si=0B7hwv1WQ3mEx9mAl0CFdg

HyperionWarbonnet · 02/08/2022 08:39

SomePosters · 02/08/2022 08:12

When someone has looked at just enough science to know what it’s supposed to look like without comprehending any of it… this is what gets spewed back.

I am studying this shit right now, doing exams in it and you couldn’t have missed the points more dramatically if you just followed unqualified tits on Facebook instead of reading journals like nature and following longitudinal multi-discipline studies like ZOE

high meat consumption is killing is. Not only directly through increasing heart problems but indirectly through the anti biotics required to factory farm enough innocent creatures to fed the demand for meat with every meal.

i am not and will never be vegan. I eat meat but no more than 10% of your diet should be meat

You will come to see. No problems. I, of course, have not studied it : )

There is a way to eat plants and not get ill from them for some people, if you are sensitive to their funny little ways. You can sprout them. When soaked and sprouted and rinsed and sprouted and then eaten, a large proportion of the compounds that inflame us are lost in the sprouting process and thus in the rinse water. No plant want's it's child eaten so seeds are especially high in anti nutrients. This is why seed oils can be especially inflammatory.

Sprouting can leave in the rinse water, 90% of what can make you ill and you can get the full benefit of the plant's nutrient profile without the downside. It's not for everyone but it's something to think about if you really want to eat plants or if you don't want to eat meat at all but are ill as a result of eating plant material, you can try eating sprouted seeds and legumes to see if it removes what is making you ill.

There is nothing to touch a plate of sprouted beluga lentils IMHO.

No one on this board has to believe a word I have said. I don't give a tinkers cuss but when there is so much evidence that we are sick as a result of our diet, something has to change.

Meat does not cause heart disease. It is sugar and carbs that cause inflammation. Meat and high fat diets in combination with the inflammatory effects of high glucose is largely what is causing western world diseases.

You lot do you though. Crack on. I can only state what I have learned about my self and others close to me by studying it, trying it and getting well as well as it being my day job and my having passed exams in this subject.

ImAvingOops · 02/08/2022 08:43

Not rt whole ft but it isn't far which causes heart disease, it's sugar. Fat is able to pass through our arteries quite easily but when you also eat lots of sugar, it roughens the inside of the arteries and then the fat sticks to it. This is what led to doctors believing that fat blocked arteries and caused heart attacks. It's only relatively recently that anyone has considered the damage that sugar does. At least that's what the cardiologist told my dad when he had a bypass.
That diet sounds disgusting but my dad has eaten meat and vegetables (no sugar) for a while now and it has reversed his type 2 diabetes symptoms so it might not be that terrible from a health pov.

apintortwo · 02/08/2022 09:20

There is a lot of new research done that actually says we should be eating mainly plant based with very little white meat and some fish.No red meat at all...

All research needs to be funded and hence a lot of it is biased. Please bear this in mind and try and exercise some healthy scepticism rather then following 'new ideas' blindly

Same1977 · 02/08/2022 11:32

SomePosters · 02/08/2022 08:12

When someone has looked at just enough science to know what it’s supposed to look like without comprehending any of it… this is what gets spewed back.

I am studying this shit right now, doing exams in it and you couldn’t have missed the points more dramatically if you just followed unqualified tits on Facebook instead of reading journals like nature and following longitudinal multi-discipline studies like ZOE

high meat consumption is killing is. Not only directly through increasing heart problems but indirectly through the anti biotics required to factory farm enough innocent creatures to fed the demand for meat with every meal.

i am not and will never be vegan. I eat meat but no more than 10% of your diet should be meat

This!Just too long to go into detail to explain why and how this is clearly nuts

SomePosters · 02/08/2022 11:39

HyperionWarbonnet · 02/08/2022 08:39

You will come to see. No problems. I, of course, have not studied it : )

There is a way to eat plants and not get ill from them for some people, if you are sensitive to their funny little ways. You can sprout them. When soaked and sprouted and rinsed and sprouted and then eaten, a large proportion of the compounds that inflame us are lost in the sprouting process and thus in the rinse water. No plant want's it's child eaten so seeds are especially high in anti nutrients. This is why seed oils can be especially inflammatory.

Sprouting can leave in the rinse water, 90% of what can make you ill and you can get the full benefit of the plant's nutrient profile without the downside. It's not for everyone but it's something to think about if you really want to eat plants or if you don't want to eat meat at all but are ill as a result of eating plant material, you can try eating sprouted seeds and legumes to see if it removes what is making you ill.

There is nothing to touch a plate of sprouted beluga lentils IMHO.

No one on this board has to believe a word I have said. I don't give a tinkers cuss but when there is so much evidence that we are sick as a result of our diet, something has to change.

Meat does not cause heart disease. It is sugar and carbs that cause inflammation. Meat and high fat diets in combination with the inflammatory effects of high glucose is largely what is causing western world diseases.

You lot do you though. Crack on. I can only state what I have learned about my self and others close to me by studying it, trying it and getting well as well as it being my day job and my having passed exams in this subject.

So youve not studied it and done exams in it/do it as a part of your job

sure

thanks for clarifying

MyrrAgain · 02/08/2022 11:42

Sounds bit like Atkins / high protein diet maybe?

D0lphine · 02/08/2022 11:56

Realistically, people benefit from the carnivore diet for 2 main reasons.

1 they have been vegan for 2 years or more and their body is depleted, they have digestive issues and they're desperate for meat. So as soon as they tuck into a steak, boom they feel amazing.

  1. They have a diet very high in ultra processed foods, junk, sugar and additives. So when they cut that out and eat real food they have more energy and lose weigh, have less digestive issues, sleep better, better skin etc.

So it's not that carnivore itself is fantastic. It's just that it's often better than the diets people were on prior to eating carnivore.

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