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To ask if you’re planning to refuse to pay energy bills?

138 replies

Gruffalocrumbles · 28/07/2022 13:35

I’ve seen a few posts here and there on social media about collectively refusing to pay energy bills when the price hikes in October.

I was wondering if many people are on board/planning to do this?
(YABU = not refusing to pay, YANBU = refusing to pay?)

Most recent post I have seen is by a page called ‘dontpayuk’ on Instagram www.instagram.com/p/CghIfyeseTv/?igshid=YzAyZWRlMzg=

I am really concerned about how our household is going to manage to keep up with bills this winter.

OP posts:
MsFrenchie · 28/07/2022 17:09

Monika007 · 28/07/2022 15:52

I'm going to do it. And I won't sit in a cold home with a little kid. I always try to save energy as much as I can so thats nothing new, but there is a limit. We need national protest. At the moment this goverment doing basically nothing to help people.

So, you’ll stop paying, your power will be cut off, or you’ll be forced to have a prepayment meter; what then?

lot123 · 28/07/2022 17:12

There needs to be tighter regulation on profit margins in these industries that supply essential services.
If we all refused to pay, they would be FORCED to reduce their profit margin, rather than hurting the consumer.

As others have said, this simply isn't the case. The huge hike in wholesale energy prices has put 30 energy firms out of business, many of whom were supplying energy at a loss to people on fixed rate contracts.

Blame OPEC, blame the pandemic, blame the war in Ukraine if you want but it's not the fault of the retail energy suppliers.

Unforgettablefire · 28/07/2022 17:13

I've just read if you have a smart meter they can change it remotely to a prepay?

Bpdqueen · 28/07/2022 17:22

The government is In the process of giving people a significant amount of money to pay towards gas and electric so I suggest u use that before u do anything else

Ylvamoon · 28/07/2022 17:23

Not paying isn't going to solve anything.

You might not pay for a few months... but you'll be paying off the accumulated debt for years!

I think it would be better if we all turn off gas & electric every Monday and Wednesday... kids at school us at work and once back just use as little as possible!. This would really cause some interesting problems in terms of usage and storage.
Grated, initially we will suffer but it's short term and controlled by us.
Not paying bills is controlled by them.
I'm all for peaceful protest that is properly thought through.

Mumtofourandnomore · 28/07/2022 18:19

Centrica’s profits on their retail energy supply business fell by 43% according to their half year accounts and the media. The cost to buy the energy people use is MUCH higher than the price customers pay under the price cap. Centrica only makes a profit because it has hedged future volumes, it has effectively fixed prices in advance. Little suppliers did not do this and went bust.

Centrica makes a tiny profit margin on energy supply contracts even with hedging. I understand that under the special administrative regime, the government did not hedge costs at all, this is a terrible choice and will have cost a fortune (not sure if they are hedging costs now). So you can be assured that nationalising energy supply is not necessarily a great idea.

Energy companies have made the vast majority of their profit from Upstream (production) and energy trading. These profits go to their shareholders (including pension funds and the like !) or are reinvested in the business (renewables are very capital intensive) - it’s in everybody’s interests for companies to be well managed. The profits aren’t kept by fat cats.

Centrica is talking about reopening the Rough gas storage facility as early as this winter which will need a lot of upfront cash to update it.

It’s convenient to call energy companies thieving robbers, but it’s ultra-complex - think of transmission and distribution networks, long-term purchase contracts, complex hedging strategies, renewables, regulatory policy, volatile geopolitical risks etc, all for 2% margin. They don’t charge customers lots and just keep it ! Energy suppliers would probably like to leave their energy supply businesses to the government and keep the profitable elements - good luck to them…….

apwkLmws · 28/07/2022 20:56

@Funinthemud the 3 main things we have done is stopped using an electric heater we had in one room. Got rid of our second fridge/freezer from the garage and stopped using the tumble dryer. Then just generally been more careful with how we've been cooking and using the electric showers etc. Like you we have a hot water tank so using that hot water from there instead. Gas use is also really low, heating is off, hot water is only heated for an hour a day and that is plenty for us. To be fair we were higher than average users anyway so probably should have been looking at how we could cut back anyway.

apwkLmws · 28/07/2022 21:01

@ChimChimeny my gas is down mainly because it's summer and I don't need the heating on but my electric didn't vary much at all due to summer. This reduction is because of specific changes I have made and the picture I attached is just showing electric use, not gas.

UxbridgeVoteBJOut · 28/07/2022 21:23

if the 8 biggest Uk energy supplier companies gave up all profits (suppose that 100% of shareholders voted to do that) : what difference would it make to the average household bill?

I have a suspicion the difference would be like £20 per year per household.

Say I'm wrong.

Mumtofourandnomore · 28/07/2022 21:25

Mumtofourandnomore · 28/07/2022 18:19

Centrica’s profits on their retail energy supply business fell by 43% according to their half year accounts and the media. The cost to buy the energy people use is MUCH higher than the price customers pay under the price cap. Centrica only makes a profit because it has hedged future volumes, it has effectively fixed prices in advance. Little suppliers did not do this and went bust.

Centrica makes a tiny profit margin on energy supply contracts even with hedging. I understand that under the special administrative regime, the government did not hedge costs at all, this is a terrible choice and will have cost a fortune (not sure if they are hedging costs now). So you can be assured that nationalising energy supply is not necessarily a great idea.

Energy companies have made the vast majority of their profit from Upstream (production) and energy trading. These profits go to their shareholders (including pension funds and the like !) or are reinvested in the business (renewables are very capital intensive) - it’s in everybody’s interests for companies to be well managed. The profits aren’t kept by fat cats.

Centrica is talking about reopening the Rough gas storage facility as early as this winter which will need a lot of upfront cash to update it.

It’s convenient to call energy companies thieving robbers, but it’s ultra-complex - think of transmission and distribution networks, long-term purchase contracts, complex hedging strategies, renewables, regulatory policy, volatile geopolitical risks etc, all for 2% margin. They don’t charge customers lots and just keep it ! Energy suppliers would probably like to leave their energy supply businesses to the government and keep the profitable elements - good luck to them…….

I should have added above that I was talking about Bulb when I referred the special administrative regime - the cost of the failure to hedge will also be passed on to customers too which is outrageous.

MsFrenchie · 28/07/2022 21:25

UxbridgeVoteBJOut · 28/07/2022 21:23

if the 8 biggest Uk energy supplier companies gave up all profits (suppose that 100% of shareholders voted to do that) : what difference would it make to the average household bill?

I have a suspicion the difference would be like £20 per year per household.

Say I'm wrong.

No, that’s about right, if you exclude the companies which actually lost money which would drop the average lower.

TheHateIsNotGood · 28/07/2022 21:36

Nope - I'll be paying/servicing all of my debts no matter what - low income that I have, if it squeezes too tight I'll come to an arrangement for the interim.

It's the ebb and flow, even though finance and bills are mostly artificial, they still ebb and flow just like natural forces. The harsh conditions expected are not just UK-specific so getting disgruntled at politicians is pointless.

I've coined a new expression:

"Too stupid to know how stupid they are"

Fml1980 · 28/07/2022 21:43

My gas and electricity is already 350 a month, did look to fix but at them prices not a chance.
I'm frightened for the winter not going to lie.

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Bubblebubblebah · 28/07/2022 21:46

Fml1980 · 28/07/2022 21:43

My gas and electricity is already 350 a month, did look to fix but at them prices not a chance.
I'm frightened for the winter not going to lie.

What are your unit prices?

Fml1980 · 28/07/2022 21:53

Bubblebubblebah · 28/07/2022 21:46

What are your unit prices?

I've screenshot them.

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To ask if you’re planning to refuse to pay energy bills?
Bubblebubblebah · 28/07/2022 22:06

That's same like me. You must be using LOADS or having massively overinflated DD from the provider. I am currently on abou £15 a gas and £40 electricity.... I use below average but even if you used average it still wouldn't be closed to £350.... You could half it probably and still buold up bit of credit for winter😱

dogeatworld · 29/07/2022 02:48

MsFrenchie · 28/07/2022 13:57

Oh dear, a pound shop Marxist.

The alternative is a country full of people doffing their caps to the greedy idiots who put us in this position. Why do we accept this behaviour from those in power when others like France go out onto the streets to fight for what is right. It's maddening.

Fml1980 · 29/07/2022 07:23

Bubblebubblebah · 28/07/2022 22:06

That's same like me. You must be using LOADS or having massively overinflated DD from the provider. I am currently on abou £15 a gas and £40 electricity.... I use below average but even if you used average it still wouldn't be closed to £350.... You could half it probably and still buold up bit of credit for winter😱

We are a family of 8 and I have disabled children, they won't let me lower it anymore then 320 so I do put the extra for winter.
Although if the prediction of the price increase is true then I won't be able to afford much more.

Bubblebubblebah · 29/07/2022 09:40

Ah. Well that is lot of people ao it will be higher @Fml1980 still watch your meter. You might end up in more credit than you would normally expect

TheGoogleMum · 29/07/2022 09:43

I have seen it mentioned enough that I reckon a goose chunk of people will refuse ti pay. But most will. I will pay because I'm too worried about consequences of not paying

BigWoollyJumpers · 29/07/2022 11:36

What's lost in all this messaging if that BEFORE Covid and the Russian invasion of Ukraine, UK energy prices were some of the lowest in the world. We had many years of low energy (and food) prices. In a global economy we are all vulnerable to global events. No amount of strikes or civil disobedience is going to change what is happening elsewhere in the world. The government can mitigate, ie: gift cash to help offset, but it can't solve many of the issues which have caused the energy crises.

What we can do, as a country, is to invest heavily in renewables. We will be reliant on a lot of those profits made by the self same companies, who are having to move away from fossil fuels to renewables.

Peradventure55 · 29/07/2022 12:39

@MsFrenchie your reply has had me giggling every time I think about it, thanks

BalloonsAndWhistles · 29/07/2022 12:42

Whilst I’d love to join in I definitely won’t be. I don’t want a bad credit report and to end up in trouble. These companies have us all over a barrel really.

Snoozer11 · 29/07/2022 12:55

MsFrenchie · 28/07/2022 13:48

It’d be reasonable to stop using electricity and gas, and so to pay nothing for them, but no, of course it’s not reasonable to consume them and not pay.

It’s no different to stealing anything else.

Save up now, sell things that you don’t need, find extra work, there are myriad ways to prepare for rising costs.

Jesus fucking Christ, are you for real?

How the fuck do you expect people with families to just take up more work? As if it's that easy?

And telling people they should sell their possessions just to be able to afford to have a shower or a warm meal.

You should be hanging your head in shame.

Bubblebubblebah · 29/07/2022 12:57

Tbf to that poster that is the usual advice when someone has money troubles

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