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Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 20:52

Prepared to be flamed by some of you

But

I just don't think I can do nothing

Few months ago a local guy was up in court for sending very very inappropriate messages to his younger niece (13)
Went to court and was found guilty

My cousins - two pretty girls in their teens
Work with him

So today they told me what he does to them on a daily basis
Asks them questions about sexual acts
Rubs up against them
Tries to grope them if they bend down
Stares at them while they are working

I felt sick hearing this
I said why not tell the boss
Well the boss and him are best friends
They are finding it all just so hard

I want to do something - send a letter ??

I don't know
But I feel sick thinking of this awful awful man 😳😳😳😳😳😞

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Stopthebusplease · 27/07/2022 21:06

I think I'd be inclined to ask for advice about this from the police OP, as if he's already been up in court for this sort of behaviour with teenagers, he could well be a real threat if one of them finds themselves alone with him. Unfortunately if he's friends with the boss, I don't think a letter will get you anywhere, better in my opinion to seek proper advice, but I'm sure other MN'ers will have other ideas

Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 21:07

Hmmm true !!

I just can't do nothing

It makes me so Ipset
He is harassing them daily

They were laughing about how no female can be left alone with him

Not bloody funny

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Ginger1982 · 27/07/2022 21:08

What did he get for the messages?

Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 21:09

Suspended sentence the dirtbag

Married with a young child

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Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 21:54

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Thatiswild · 27/07/2022 22:00

You need to speak to the police about it, not write a letter to his mate. This is serious. Your poor nieces but it’s good they told you.

Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:01

Yes that's what I think

But they don't want to take further action

They want to keep the peace and avoid him 😢😢😢😢

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 27/07/2022 22:06

How old are they? I’m surprised he is able to work with teens if he has been a charged of sexual harassment of a minor.

If they really don’t feel able to report it because it’s a small company I would be advising them to leave as the worry would be it could escalate. A man who would text a 13 year old relation sexually explicit messages clearly has no boundaries or worries about breaking the law and if he’s continuing to sexually harass teens even after the charge he’s not learnt his lesson. It sounds like they are not safe.

m00rfarm · 27/07/2022 22:08

If you do nothing, then you are guilty as he is. Report to the police and tell them your nieces are not sure whether they will get into trouble reporting him - what should you do. They will tell you.

Stopthebusplease · 27/07/2022 22:08

The trouble is that your cousins are young, and think themselves invincible. They are NOT! The fact is, he is already under a suspended sentence, so making the police aware of this behaviour, could mean that a word in his ear from a police officer will be enough to put a stop to it. However, you need to make your cousins realise BEFORE anything goes wrong, that they have a duty to themselves, and to others, to report this guy, as waiting until he's raped one of them, or another young woman or child, will not only ruin someone's life, but will leave them feeling guilty for ever.

Ginger1982 · 27/07/2022 22:10

Do your cousins parents know about this?

Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:10

MolkosTeenageAngst · 27/07/2022 22:06

How old are they? I’m surprised he is able to work with teens if he has been a charged of sexual harassment of a minor.

If they really don’t feel able to report it because it’s a small company I would be advising them to leave as the worry would be it could escalate. A man who would text a 13 year old relation sexually explicit messages clearly has no boundaries or worries about breaking the law and if he’s continuing to sexually harass teens even after the charge he’s not learnt his lesson. It sounds like they are not safe.

Yes

Absolutely

Disgraceful isn't it
It's like something is waiting to happen

In my original post I said rubs you against them - I mean makes excuse to get close to them and in doing so rubs himself against them

Most recently he has been pinching their waists and he moves by them
Fcking creep

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Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:11

Stopthebusplease · 27/07/2022 22:08

The trouble is that your cousins are young, and think themselves invincible. They are NOT! The fact is, he is already under a suspended sentence, so making the police aware of this behaviour, could mean that a word in his ear from a police officer will be enough to put a stop to it. However, you need to make your cousins realise BEFORE anything goes wrong, that they have a duty to themselves, and to others, to report this guy, as waiting until he's raped one of them, or another young woman or child, will not only ruin someone's life, but will leave them feeling guilty for ever.

Yes everyone

So very true

What's the worst that can. Happen if I go to police

I need to
I have his name and where he works
Thing is the girls don't think I should but I can't not do this

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Stopthebusplease · 27/07/2022 22:13

The only other way of dealing with this creep would be if you know any guys who are a bit handy, and wouldn't be afraid to warn him off, but ultimately that's not the best policy, and still won't protect others, even if has the desired effect with regard to his behaviour with your cousins.

Alternatively, have a read of this article,

www.acas.org.uk/sexual-harassment/get-help-and-support

and see if there is anything there that your cousins might be happy to look at, as this guy really does need to be stopped.

MolkosTeenageAngst · 27/07/2022 22:18

Are the girls under 16? If so I think you have a duty to go to the police as they are below the age of consent and what he’s doing is illegal on several levels and I think it would be taken seriously by the police not just in hand with his conviction but also because even if they’re not willing to report him themselves they’re too young to consent and so action could be brought about him anyway.

It’s a bit trickier if they are 16+ as although he is sexually harassing them which is still difficult (and wrong if he is an adult man considering if they’re teens they’re obviously no older than 19) but I think it would be harder to report without their involvement as I’d imagine they would need to confirm the lack of consent.

I’m assuming it’s a small company and there isn’t a HR department or anybody outside of the boss this could be raised with?

Wouldlovetobeinthesun · 27/07/2022 22:30

If he was convicted in court for committing an offence against a child as you say, he will not by law, be able to work with under 18's. How do you know this? Where are your nieces parents and why haven't they done anything? Either you or their parents are duty bound as adults to protect them. Go to the police tomorrow. If the girls lose their job then so be it. Why on earth would you or their parents even question putting them at further risk?

Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:31

MolkosTeenageAngst · 27/07/2022 22:18

Are the girls under 16? If so I think you have a duty to go to the police as they are below the age of consent and what he’s doing is illegal on several levels and I think it would be taken seriously by the police not just in hand with his conviction but also because even if they’re not willing to report him themselves they’re too young to consent and so action could be brought about him anyway.

It’s a bit trickier if they are 16+ as although he is sexually harassing them which is still difficult (and wrong if he is an adult man considering if they’re teens they’re obviously no older than 19) but I think it would be harder to report without their involvement as I’d imagine they would need to confirm the lack of consent.

I’m assuming it’s a small company and there isn’t a HR department or anybody outside of the boss this could be raised with?

No they are 18 and 19

And yes I'm doing something

Their parents roll their eyes and say that's kind of the culture there

Madness

Creep from hell

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Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:31

He's late 20s

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Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:32

Their words

We don't want anything said we will lose our jobs and. He's friends with the boss

Ffs

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Georgeskitchen · 27/07/2022 22:33

Is he on the sex offenders register?

Comefromaway · 27/07/2022 22:35

I’d go to the police but it might be classed as hearsay. A suspended sentence means he has to not commit any other offences.

Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:35

That I don't know

Been trying to see if I can access the newspaper report this evening

I know it was a suspended sentence

He was asking the underage niece to send him pics and asking her questions re her sex life so it went to court

He was convicted
At work he said it was all made up as one girls father approached him and asked him what he did

Vile vile vile

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Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:36

Put how to phrase it to police ?

They don't want to back me up with a statement so it's just coming from me

Can police go into the workplace to investigate?

Sorry if that's a stupid question

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FAQs · 27/07/2022 22:41

You can ask to speak to the public protection unit or whatever it’s called at your local station for advice. If it was my daughter I’d confront him myself but I understand why you don’t want to especially if they don’t want to persue it but my god I’d be in his face.

Queenie6655 · 27/07/2022 22:42

Ok good idea

Yes this can't continue

Awful behaviour

And a culture where it's allowed??? Ffs

Why are the other men there letting this happen

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