To be done with cyclists (as a car driver).

[bluegardenflowers]

Have cycled in the past but now only drive.

I'm a considerate driver and always allow plenty of room when overtaking and am patient in following the cyclist when it's unsafe to overtake and leave a big gap. I take care when left turning. They are more vulnerable on the road.

Yet I've been sworn at be a cyclist and it's pissing me off.

Yesterday on a busy road I saw the cyclist and was busy scanning ahead to make sure I could give him half a carriageways room to overtake. I started my overtake as he was wafting his arm around and looking back. It wasn't a clear right turn signal more a 30 degree flap around before swerving into the part of the road I was on, and swearing at me.

Ffs. If you want to turn right, stick your bloody arm out fully and make a clear signal. No wonder drivers and cyclists hate each other.

I agree with you OP. I always try to give space to cyclists and I wint overtake if it isn't safe to do so (eg a blind corner) but the amount of times cyclists have gotten mad at me for following behind them and start waving their hand for me to overtake them when I can't see if the road is clear or not.
Where I live we have a lot of blind corners on 50mph roads, the change to the law that cyclists can ride 2 a breast is really dangerous, as you go round a blind corner and bam there's a bike in the middle of the road that you will hit no matter what you do as the road isn't wide enough to swerve round them.

You could swap bike for dog owners throughout this thread and it would have the same essence.

Ooo what about dog owning cyclists? Dogs on bikes?!

@vivainsomnia - actually he had zero right to be there no matter how precious his bike was so you can get off your high horse about that one.

It was a GWR high speed inter city train. www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/on-our-trains/bringing-your-bike

Tell me where, in the Highway code (pages 59 to 82) rules for cyclists, it tells you to use the old "slowing down signal.
In 1970, when I took my driving test, I had to do a "hand signals only" section. This included a signal which was to hold your right arm out, palm down, and move it up and down to indicate that you were slowing down. (Not to tell the driver behind you to slow down) . Hand signals are no longer taught or part of the driving test.
Cyclists should use either a definite left or right signal, no other signals. www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/rules-for-cyclists-road-junctions.html
@bluegardenflowers is right.

I always find it highly amusing how cyclists are so against having some sort of identifying feature on their bikes like number plates on cars. Cyclists seem to think its their god given right to report all cars but they seem soo against being identified themselves.

Speaks volumes when cyclists are so defensive about being anonymous with their riding.

As a pedestrian/bus taker, I am done with ALL..

I am done with cyclists running red lights at speed and getting angry that I dare cross the road in front of them.

I am done with sitting in traffic during term time because the roads are back to back with parents driving their kids to the school a quarter of a mile away.

I am done with cars parking halfway across a pavement or racing down my road.

While I am on a soapbox, I am also done with lazy school kids taking the bus ONE stop. ONE!!! You can see the next stop from where they get on!

In conclusion - hate you all. Walk!

But he wasn't waving it around he was dangling it about 20 cm from his body, and wanting was purely movement as he rode, not a deliberate movement for slowing down. I know exactly what that is
Of course you do! It's common for cyclist to make weird gestures when cycling and that couldn't possibly have been interpreted as wanting to turn right. He just wanted to look back to admire your car!

You really are in denial of your error!

They only install go pro cameras to protect their asses, but don't want to take any responsibility for their faults.

actually he had zero right to be there no matter how precious his bike was so you can get off your high horse about that one
High horse? If he wasn't allowed on that train, that's all you needed to say. Why mention a bike carriage!

This! I’d have sworn at you too! He looked behind and moved his right arm out, balance of probability was he was about to turn right!

You were entirely in the wrong.

Hoping rest of thread shows this to be a reverse!

Er, yes you do. And that is a junction.

You may be a considerate driver to cyclists, but probably 1 out of 50 or more.

@vivainsomnia - I was just matching your rather aggressive and self important tone. I mentioned the bike carriage to show he had an option before I got asked what else he was supposed to do with his precious cargo.

Cyclists should use either a definite left or right signal, no other signals
Which he did but OP didn't compute it meant turning right. She is lucky that he was cautious and didn't just go ahead and turn.

Eh?? Of course you indicate to overtake a cyclist or parked vehicle. Very confused as to how it wasn’t a junction … your words ensured no oncoming cars, and moved out around 10 m before the junction he was turning into. So I was being extra safe. He wasn't ….

So I need a diagram. The star is where he starts to turn and 'signal'.

The signal also deserves a diagram

I mentioned the bike carriage to show he had an option before I got asked what else he was supposed to do with his precious cargo
Yes of course!

What annoys me is people who act self righteous when are actually in the wrong and out people in danger as a result. I'm both a motorist and cyclist. I see poor behaviour on both sides but feel much more vulnerable to the errors motorists make rather than cyclists.

Sounds awful, why don't you get something a bit more grown up 😅

Cycling two abreast makes it FASTER to overtake - unless you are overtaking unsafely.

I’m amazed if you’re not a troll, if you’re genuine I’m amazed you can be both so entitled and stupid at the same time.

The point is that you should be driving round a blind corner being prepared for ANYTHING to be round it.

But the change to the highway code does not give cyclists permission to cycle 2 abreast round blind bends.

I wouldn’t have a problem at all in theory. But it’s been repeatedly eschewed as completely unworkable and cost prohibitive by the police, who have correctly pointed out the complexities of concerns about how to register children, whether the registration is for the vehicle or the person, what rules one would have to follow in order to acquire such a licence, and the general pointlessness of having such a system in a country where more than 99% of road accidents are caused by the driver of a motor vehicle not a bicycle.

Yep, that signal to turn. What so you think he was doing with his hand out? Even if unsure, you should have acted as if that's what it meant and wait to see what he was doing next.

No on narrow country roads it does not.

That looks like a clear signal to me and you should not have been overtaking there. Rule 167 of the Highway Code.