To be done with cyclists (as a car driver).

[bluegardenflowers]

Have cycled in the past but now only drive.

I'm a considerate driver and always allow plenty of room when overtaking and am patient in following the cyclist when it's unsafe to overtake and leave a big gap. I take care when left turning. They are more vulnerable on the road.

Yet I've been sworn at be a cyclist and it's pissing me off.

Yesterday on a busy road I saw the cyclist and was busy scanning ahead to make sure I could give him half a carriageways room to overtake. I started my overtake as he was wafting his arm around and looking back. It wasn't a clear right turn signal more a 30 degree flap around before swerving into the part of the road I was on, and swearing at me.

Ffs. If you want to turn right, stick your bloody arm out fully and make a clear signal. No wonder drivers and cyclists hate each other.

I've just seen this post of yours, @bluegardenflowers.

So, you actually didn't know that you're not allowed to overwork on the approach to a junction. A side road is a junction.

You're not to overtake there as someone could be turning out or someone could be turning it and you're on the wrong side of the road at a very dangerous point. The highway code is clear. You don't overtake at that point in the road.

It's now clear that you didn't actually know that rule. You know what, there's loads of stuff people don't know when they should. Loads of people so stuff, think they're right and get all angry then find out they actually broke a rule later. It happens.

The important thing is that you accept your error and learn from it. That's what you need to do. But you don't seem capable of doing taking that action, and that's what makes you a dangerous driver.

He looks like hes just streaching his arm and had no awareness you were there. Looks like you were in the right and gobshite couldn’t care less.

@Loics my comments were to OP.

He looks like hes just streaching his arm and had no awareness you were there. Looks like you were in the right and gobshite couldn’t care less.

OP says repeatedly that he was looking back, which to me is a bigger indicator the cyclist is intending something. The surface may not have been good for giving a fully committed hand signal, difficult conditions for cyclists and likelihood of making unexpected manoeuvres are specifically mentioned in the highway code and you're asked to drive accordingly. Overtaking someone who's making a signal you're having difficulty understanding is just stupid

Round here they ride in the pavements. I'd have SS in anyone letting a 10 yo ride a bike on a road with industrial units and lorries all along it!
Oh so not where they should. You are right though, it is dangerous, very dangerous. Because of drivers like YOU!

I’m happy to share the roads - but there has to be a bit of give and take. Whilst I know there are far more cars on the road , some of the action of cyclists is shocking,

I exclude all the cyclist who are cycling to work etc they follow the rules, don’t intimidate and 9/10 actually use the cycle paths. Usually wear a cycle helmet and have decent lights on their bikes.

The hobby cyclist - drive park their cars (usually badly) with their matching tops, groups of around 10-30 off they go in a packs - the problem is there is multiple packs on stretches of local roads - driving on a Saturday or Sunday morning is pointless.

Their refusal in large packs to use the cycle routes - our local roads have been made smaller with a fully separate cycle path (not shared with pedestrians)

They also seem to not know rules at junctions or roundabouts and a red light is irrelevant to them.

And the group that indimidated my daughter…on a down hill with a sharp corner - to bang on her car as she couldn’t overtake as there was another pack of cyclist in the way - glad a bunch of 40/50 year old men bullying a 19 year old.

As a hobby cyclist myself I’m happy to use the local facilities for mountain bike riding - no car fumes and plenty of decent fresh air!

I would rather look like a multicoloured penis than a fat slob with a stick up my arse.

I wouldn’t call it antisocial either, we enjoy a good chat as we go round, 2 abreast.

If you struggle to deal with cyclists on the road may I suggest you stop driving or have some sort of refresher lesson.

@WeAreBob But I wasn't on the wrong side of the road. It's a very wide road on an industrial estate and people coming out of the junction would have been nowhere near me.

And I'm not debating the pros and cons of overtaking but rudeness of cyclists like the arsehole who gobbled off at me. I think personally if he had used more road awareness and looked and signalled clearly, I would have waited. As it it we all overtake when it's safe to do so.

As you well know I'm talking about cyclists. I'm sure half of them are colourblind as well as they don't seem to be able to tell the difference between red and green traffic lights.

Basically he was attempting to intimidate me because I am a woman in a small car. He wouldn't have done it to a man in a BMW

So would you like to debate the fact that you were in the wrong, ignoring the Highway Code?

And the group that indimidated my daughter…on a down hill with a sharp corner - to bang on her car as she couldn’t overtake as there was another pack of cyclist in the way
Why was she close enough that he could bang on her car.

It's no surprise cyclists turn aggressive. Their lives is constantly put at risk by arrogant, impatient drivers who think they know the rules but don't and are in the wrong and yet act like victims.

I hate being stuck behind cyclists. It's so slow, it's frustrating. I also hate being held up by tractors, horse carriers and the rest, but it stops there because they have as much right as me to use it and if I'm frustrated by it, it's MY problem, not theirs and it gives me no right to put them in danger.

OMG OP …. Stop the whining, and changing of your issues. You were in the wrong, that’s that. Own it and move on.

OP will you still not concede that, to the cyclist, your manoeuvre was indistinguishable from a right turn at the junction?
You moved into the marked "right turn" area of the road, and just as the cyclist went to take the right turn alongside you, you abandoned the perceived right turn to plough into the cyclist.
That is why he was angry.

I’d swear at you too if you did an illegal manoeuvre that put me at risk - and I don’t normally swear. If you don’t want to be sworn at, don’t do that.

so he didn’t see you but, with his Jedi powers, sensed you were a weak and feeble woman in a small car?

Horse-shit OP. You don’t know your Highway Code, you are 100% wrong and are desperately scrambling round for alternative ways to blame the cyclist.

Please don’t drive. Your lack of knowledge significantly increases your chances of killing or injuring someone.

You were approaching him from behind, your current version of the story has him not looking at all. How did he know you were a woman in a small car? When people nearly run me over I'm focused on the bumper not who's driving it

And I'm not debating the pros and cons of overtaking but rudeness of cyclists like the arsehole who gobbled off at me
You put his life at risk and yet you think he should have been pleasant! He's the asshole yet you endangered his life.

At this point, all I hope if that you don't live near me. You are nowhere near the good considerate driver you think you are. You are a problem on the road.

Well, You don't know that do you? just another assumption you are making, which in regard to driving is v dangerous.

Car drivers, just like you, kill 1800 people per year, inc 300 children... might be better to improve your driving skills instead of policing other road users... if you want to that, become a Police Officer?

@PinkSparklyPussyCat Do you know what happens when a cyclist ignores a red light? eventually they get hit by a vehicle going through a green light, which will result in serious injury etc.

Or do you mean a cyclist edging forward on a Red, to avoid being run over by an impatient driver like you who has parked in the cyclists only box?

Us men have special eyes in the back of our heads, they can however only detect women in small vehicles.

@AppleBottomRats @vivainsomnia - the OPs situation aside (I don’t think she was in the right here but I do think the cyclist could have been clearer with their signal), is there any situation where a cyclist could ever possibly be in the wrong in your eyes or is the other road user always to blame?

OP, it doesn't matter what details you keep adding to try and make him out to be the bad guy, you are the one whose driving was at fault.

And I'm not debating the pros and cons of overtaking but rudeness of cyclists like the arsehole who gobbled off at me

Perhaps you'll be more careful & obey the law yourself when around vulnerable road users?

The highway code has changed recently to reflect the responsibility you owe other non vehicle road users.