To be really upset that Mnetters are taking the P*&& out of my baby names?

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Just because I don't like Jack or Emily.

MB - why on earth would it make me feel better to think badly of you TBH I feel shitey even having this conversation with you as a) I know you have plenty on your plate at the moment without cyber-argybargy and b) in all other respects you seem utterly sane and reasonable.

I haven't singled you (or anyone else) out for criticism on this subject, but I do think it stinks that there are plenty teachers (and other childcare professionals) who think it's perfectly acceptable to make sneery remarks about children on the basis of their names.

Do you not see my point?

TBH, the reason that I could do with a laugh was that in the earlier part of the evening ds (he is 7)asked us if dh is dying, and we had to say 'yes'. Sorry if that sounds gothic, and over dramatic, I know that it does. He has 'sort of' known for a while, but this is the first direct question that he has asked us.

I was looking to MN for a little light realif.

In my post, I did want than the TES was a little OTT, and I did say that I didn't endorse the comments.

since you named me, as ponted out that my posts made you worried. I thought that I would let you knopw just why I posted, and what my feelings are.

I think some peoples names do grow on them and suit them really well though, DD has a friend called Dallis and at first I was unsure of it, but it suits her to a tee and I also think she is pretty darn adorable.

As for having names that arent the same as everyone else, DD is Ella and like kitty says now that is really common but I didn't know any Ella's 7 years ago when I named her. (Actually it's danniella but we call her Ella and she has now requested it be shortened on schoolwork etc)

The thing is that there is a certain humour that comes with teaching that may seem harsh from the outside, but is really harmless, in the class you are professional, and you care and you really want the best for every child, but you do laugh at them sometimes, difficult to explain, kinda like doctors have a dark sense of humor. Don't take the critism personally mb, sorry you are having such a hard time.

You know, I have not read this whole thread, but I sooooo agree with you.

I wanted to call me girl Tula Christense Gummi Arabicum, and all my friends and family was shocked.

Now, I only have boys, so it never was a really issue, but all the same.

Also can I say that everywhere in society there is a joke on the basis of names, be it what was posted earlier or the way names are chosen for sketch shows/tv dramas.

There is nothing wrong with saying certain names give off connotations as to the way the person will behave, what would be wrong is acting on it and not allowing someone to show you different from what you may have expected.

You have hit the nail on the head VS. Is worth finding out about different names, had a girl called Wayne on roll once, in her home country it wasn't a problem...

MB - I'm really really sorry. I feel sick at the thought of your situation at the moment, and my heart is racing from reading your last post. As far as I can see, I've only 'named and shamed' you once, and that was by quoting an exchange of posts to which you contributed once. And I realise that you do not endorse what was said in the TES thread.

I actually held back from commenting on the posts that involved you for a while, but felt that there were other posters were missing the point of my argument, and needed to demonstrate more clearly what I objected to.

Anyway, I'm sorry for disagreeing with you over this. In the scale of things it really doesn;t matter. It's just a bit like when my dearly loved grandma started going on about how there are too many Poles taking all our jobs. I could have argued the point with her, but didn't. In retrospect I should have just left this thread lie, rather than being spikey when you needed light relief.

Sooo a conciliatory gag:

What did the 0 say to the 8?

Nice belt!

whether we admit it or not - generally we do laugh at baby names. Cruel - probably? Fumnny - Yes!

the court test is a good one....

say your baby name eg
Lahteeesha
James

Now imagine
Defendant or barrister

Good joke,

Please don't worry, this sort of stuff gets 'normal' for us. Thank you for your understanding.

I think this kind of snobby atitude to names is our society at its worse.
Parents are judged on their appearance, their accents, what their children are called, where they live.
Many MC parents make a quick judgement on whether its worth letting people into their little club- and they have a jolly good laugh at those people they consider below them

yes manchita judgments and stereotype's are wrong but they are fluid and not exclusively middle class Everyone whether or not they admit it judges, stereotypes, categorises

Well, I am sure that there are barristers named Leticia and criminals named James btw

awwww lighten up said in jest

We all make associations with what people look like and sound like, what they wear and what their names are.

Sometimes people pretend that they don't do it, but in reality we all do.

What we shouldn't do is treat someone badly because any of these things.

The first is a normal human response, the second is antisocial.

there is, I think, a huge difference between the two.

Someone on MN once said that she never made any assumptions about someone based on what they looked like.

Which was farcical. If you see someone who looks like a num, it is reasonable to assume that they are a nun

Leticia maybe but Lateeesha....

Yea, I suppose you are right. I should lighten up, and I am sure MB that I judge too but I relish being proved wrong.
Not in the mood for an argument tonight, believe it or not...
I must be mellowing with age

deny or not we all use stereotypes
American's = loud brash
Liverpudlians = cheeeky chirpy scousce
Scottish = canny, mean

Noooo, SM, I must disagree!
They are silly stereotypes, surely not what anyone would really believe!!!

LOL, bet you are not as old as I am.

An amusing for instance, which I raised on the other thread.

Hannah, is generally considered to be a very nice, safe, possibly 'middle class' name, yes?

Well in our family it causes a sharp intake of breath as it was the name of a hellraiser cousin who spent most of her time out of her mind and off her face on a variety of illegal substances. She was caught 'entertaining' 12 blokes on a beach once

Thankfully I've now taught some smashing Hannahs, who have saved the name for me!

Did you find naming your children difficult MB, I had to pick a name that I hadn't come across at school, dh would come up with loads of nice names that made me shudder

lol i am demonstrating widely held beliefs with no factual basis = stereotypes!!im not suggesting anyone has to believe them, not necessarily. But they are enduring loose associations in common usage and parlance

Gawd ever watch comedy
Cathy Tate - am i bovvered
Al Murray pub landlord

I went into teaching after I had the kids.

It is funny though, you only need one nice kid with the name to change your mind

I once taught a Damien who was so un demonic I came to quite like the name.

I once had a class with 3 crazy Zoes in it, which quite put me off the name for a bit And dh's cousin is a Zoe and is fab.

SpawnChorus: "I have read and re-read your original post, and in the context of this thread and chankins' question I genuinely cannot see any subtle subtext to your quote from the psychologist."

Perhaps you have to be Glaswegian to spot it.

taylor or tyler is the new ryan