Why are over 80% of school suspensions boys?

[ZenAgainWoo]

Watched a tv show not long ago looking at children who have been suspended from school, and I think it stated that near 85% of school suspensions are boys. Why is this? Am I missing something glaringly obvious?

Most have special needs.

Because boys are allowed to get away with more. Because parents of boys don't parent them as well. We have friend who has a boy the same as my DD. He was repeatedly hurting my DD "accidentally" on the bouncy castle. The mum said "oh he's just a boy, he's just being boisterous" and allowed him to carry on. My DD went on to hurt him, he came running over, and his mum said, "oh I'm sure she was say sorry to you" and I said "no, she's just being boisterous, she's just a girl". My friend huffed, and didn't mention it again. This is just one example. Another of my friends, who has a 18m old boy, said as he hit another child, "he's such a lad, always wanting to fight" 🤦🏼‍♀️

Another boy bashing thread. Yay!

Because men are 10% more likely then women to be aggressive, and they're also more likely to express aggression through physical violence. (The figure I remember is that if you pick a random man and a random woman from the population, the probability is 60% the man will be more aggressive. I'm guessing most here who haven't heard this before will be surprised how near equal men and women are.)

If the probability distribution for men is 10% to the right of that for women, and we only take action against 10% or fewer of the most aggressive people in the combined distribution, nearly all the people we take action against will be men.

I got this from a Jordan Peterson video on YouTube. The general version of his point is that there only has to be a slight difference between the sexes when it comes to a characteristic for it to mean that when you select for that characteristic, nearly all you select will come from one sex. So if men are slightly more likely than women to be interested in things, the result is that most engineers will be men. If women are slightly more likely than men to be interested in people, the result is most nurses are women.

Boys like men are more violent.

I work in alternative education. Behavioural schools tend to be mostly boys, units for emotional troubles tend to have more girls. It’s similar to the old observation that males express issues by being angry and violent, while girls internalise and get depression.

When there are fall outs boys thump each other. Girls shout, bad mouth or use excluding behaviour.

I’m really interested in this. I have a DD and due a DS shortly.

do we think there are biological instinctive differences and that boys just generally are more rowdy? Or is it social conditioning? I’m terrified and fascinated by this.

Toxic masculinity .
Socialisation .
SENs present differently in boys than in girls.
Boys externalise their anger/frustration while girls tend to internalise it.

An education system that has not been overhauled in line with what we now know about child development. Namely that girls tend to mature and develop verbal and fine motor skills earlier than boys.
Boys in single sex schools don't have the same disciplinary problems as boys in mixed sex schools. So the 'problem' isn't inherent in boys. It's the system.

Source?

I was thinking it was another poorly-disguised trans thread. Goody. We don't have nearly enough of those.

Testosterone.

My two boys are lovely. So there!!

Boys are physical. Girls verbal
I've noticed a huge change in girls fighting over recent years. Girls are physically fighting more and viewing it to put on YouTube and snapchat and other platforms. When I've worked with these girls they describe it as the red mist coming down. We e had to do a lot of work around One punch kills' with girls over the last, say 3 years. Girls are getting suspended more in y area more for violent acts ( hitting teachers, throwing chairs, carrying knives etc)

Male behaviour is out of control. Unsurprising really, given that we have millennia of patriarchy under our belts…

Girls are taught to be submissive people pleasers

Boys are taught to be strong and manly

Surely the numbers should be reducing.
The larger numbers of boys being brought up in female led households, the predominantly female primary school staff, the focus on understanding behaviour rather than punishment. Surely this should be influencing boys behaviour positively as nuture rather than inherent male behaviour.
Not saying its women's 'fault ' but surely our influence should have impact.

Or could it be boys kicking back against the lack of positive male presence, education more suited to girls, not enough physical outlets.

l think the kids generally view suspension as extra holidays not a punishment. If anything longer in class would be more of a punishment.

Maybe we need to accept that boys need a different approach to girls.

We need more men teaching to provide role models, more outlets for physical activities.
Poorer kids, both boys and girls need access to community role models/ activities that doesn't cost ££.

Rummikub

Black pupils are excluded at a higher rate

This is indeed a problem but the issue being discussed is purely boys v girls.

I imagine the number of black boys excluded is much higher than white girls.

Girls in school are definitely more aggressive post lockdown. Not sure if it's post covid stress or TikTok that's causing the rise in aggression.

You’re right. It would be interesting to look at comparative figures.

i think black pupils exclusion is systemic racism so I do wonder if that’s the case with boys exclusion too.

OP, you seem to be implying that males being more violent than females is news to you. Really? When you read a newspaper and read about all these violent crimes currently being tried, have you never noted that most of the accused are males?

And it's not 'being raised differently', it's socialisation. We are raised by our immediate family; we are socialised by our entire society. Every book we read, every TV programme we watch, every interaction with another human. Socialisation is relentless and inescapable.

You might want to pay more attention to the world you live in. Too much of it seems to have escaped your notice.

Males are socialised to externalise behaviour and females to internalise behaviour. The boy struggling in school is disruptive, verbally and physically aggressive. The girl isn’t there at all (anxiety based school refusal) or is depressed and self harming.
most adolescents who self harm are girls.
of course there are some aggressive girls and some anxious, self harming boys but generally socialisation leads to different presentation.

later on prisons are full of men and psychiatric hospitals full of women.

Interesting thread to keep in mind next time
someone posts about gender (sex?) disappointment and everybody piles on saying there is no difference between boys and girls.

FWIW I have one of each and when they misbehave DS is definitely physical whereas DD is more attitude/talking back.

• Lack of positive male role models/influence in the family
• Boys are more likely to be physically violent and less emotionally literate
• society in general where men still get away with violent, agressive, selfish behaviour and where all that ''macho'' crap is often celebrated feeding toxic masculinity and entitlement
• parents encouraging boys to be physically active and boisterous but not teaching them to articulate their feelings
• influenced by certain type of music/imagery/films. Meaning some think it is cool to act like you are in a rap video...
• I think men tend to be much more immature and childish than women.

I'm not sure that it's right that psychiatric hospitals are full of women? This study says it's 51-49 women-men - and of course men are much more likely to commit suicide.

Testosterone driven aggression that isn't nipped in the bud early enough or consistently enough.