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I never thought I would start a MIL thread but here we are.

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marvellousmaple · 21/07/2022 04:03

My MIL ( who I get on very well with and who is a fab grandma ) has seriously pissed me off but as it is almost a one off I feel I should let it slide. But then I'm a resentful old cow so maybe it would be better if I said something.
Incident was that MIL was at our house this morning ( helping as she was asked due to a car issue - she is great like that) and then she asked my 10yo DS "Do you have your bag" - as they were leaving for school - "and have you put your lunch and everything in it?"
My DS answers "yep , it's there at the front door and mum packed it for me"
And then she YELLS ( and she is an ex- school principal, so she can do the loud voice really well)
"You are such a spoilt brat!" Twice.
I was a bit flabbergasted. My DH says to ignore it as she often speaks without thinking ( classic example my DS passed a very important academic test - I had been trying to play it down by saying he probably wouldn't get accepted - when I told her he had been accepted she yells ( again) "and you didn't think he'd make it" to me . My DS then comes up to me and asks "didn't you trust me to do it mum?" with a sad face. I said of course - I just didn't want to pressure you".
ANyway
WOuld it be unreasonable to ask MIL to think before she says things to her 10yo grandson as she is old and set in her ways and is super helpful and kind and loves him
OR Not unreasonable as it's not good thing to be yelled at by your Grandma.
I get it is part of her personality and she means no harm but my DS is a gentle sensitive soul and I don't think being called a "spoilt brat" by your Grandma who you love is ever a good thing.

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marvellousmaple · 21/07/2022 06:17

I like the "Granny is a dragon" line. I know I'm not going to say anything as it will just cause upset, but I will try the humour/repeat thing. She actually will realise she has said or done the wrong thing if DH points it out, but he is tired of it and just says to me "ignore, ignore, ignore".
Thanks again all. I feel better after thinking it through.

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PatternedPinkPlate · 21/07/2022 06:30

marvellousmaple · 21/07/2022 06:13

The reason I got the mug was because last time we were at their place she commented she had broken heaps and needed more! Which apparently she did yesterday from the 2nd hand store. It's also very pretty and delicate, hard to explain, not a big thick coffee mug. Anyway, I tried. Last time I asked her what she wanted for a present she said "nothing - it will just be more junk for you and (my DH, her son) to sort out when we die in a few years". Doesn't leave me with a lot of options. I got her a huge bouquet of Australian native flowers last year . Anymore ideas I'd be very happy to hear.

A set of durable coffee mugs might have been a nice idea, if she having to buy second hand.
honestly, she getting a bit older, perhaps was upset with her own husband that morning, perhaps thinks you’re a bit of a pain.
But really, you’re over thinking it.
Was she hot, tired, happy to be helping out.
I would just forget it, and move on, being thankful she helps you out

Pegasushaswings · 21/07/2022 06:34

Kitkatcatflap · 21/07/2022 06:06

Sorry - had to comment on the birthday present. You have known her over 10 years and you bought her a delicate boxed mug for her birthday. At 78 a lone coffee mug is a rubbish gift especially to a ex teacher. As to her response, I admire her restraint, but perhaps she should have aimed her pointed remarks to her son for his lack of effort.

I think you are taking things too literally, you say she is a retired school Principal with a foghorn voice. Instead of bringing it up now and turning an itch into an open wound, I would play her at her own game. Next time she shouts something like 'You are a spoiled brat ' Laugh and bellow back 'And Granny is dragon'. Challenge her with humour. Don't let it fester. It sounds like your son has the measure of her when he laughed and said he was in charge.

Next time she comments on your weight. Say what you told us, 'My weight is the same as it as been for a decade, do we need to get your memory tested'.

Good luck

I think this is the best way to handle her, she sounds a bit oblivious rather than nasty with a mix of old school ways and foot in mouth manner.

Allmyarseandpeggymartin · 21/07/2022 06:43

Just to add I do think these things can be age related - My granny got to 75 and seemed to lose her filter - she just said whatever was on her mind regardless of who it hurt

Ragwort · 21/07/2022 06:45

I think you are being over sensitive, and a child saying 'I'm in charge in this house' - even in a jokey way - does sound like a spoiled brat. She's clearly got a lot going on with a DH that's becoming a recluse, that must be worrying for her & it sounds like she came to help you out at short notice. Your dog knocking into her might just have been the last straw.

snowbellsxox · 21/07/2022 06:46

Hi not normal xx

Redsquirrel5 · 21/07/2022 07:22

I would try the humour angle but if she helps out a lot I would be careful about addressing it. My mum could be like that with comments and other times say very kind things.
I am getting on a bit though don’t feel it often but some acquaintances of similar age or older I do find can be quite rude. Those in their 70’s more so than the 80+ year olds. We have a lady at church. Who regularly upsets people including myself. She yelled at me the other week over nothing. I have wondered if she is suffering from dementia( early stages) but not sure.

Gifts - monthly gift of bloom and wild flowers, day out, afternoon tea on her birthday.CD vouchers, hair salon voucher, train tickets- getting expensive so nearby city or steam train day out with grandson. Afternoon tea hamper from Betty’s ( they do a lovely Christmas one) museum and tea shop voucher. A cashmere scarf.
Being treated to a lunch or afternoon tea with her loved ones, especially if her husband isn’t going out much, would be enjoyable for her and make her feel loved and cherished. Perhaps she is finding it difficult living with ‘grandpa’?

BringBackBB · 21/07/2022 07:30

She thinks your son rules the roost and you go mother hen on him when he should be doing things for himself.

Is there a teeny tiny inkling of truth in that?

Not saying it's bad or anything even needs to change, just trying to understand her perspective.

jessycake · 21/07/2022 07:43

I think most people have a bit of cognitive decline as they get older , before dementia as you would recognise it shows up, and they lose a bit of filter .

marvellousmaple · 21/07/2022 08:15

PatternedPinkPlate · 21/07/2022 06:30

A set of durable coffee mugs might have been a nice idea, if she having to buy second hand.
honestly, she getting a bit older, perhaps was upset with her own husband that morning, perhaps thinks you’re a bit of a pain.
But really, you’re over thinking it.
Was she hot, tired, happy to be helping out.
I would just forget it, and move on, being thankful she helps you out

I have no idea why she bought second hand. They are pretty wealthy!
The "spolit brat" comment was about me putting his lunch in his bag. Something I do some of the time. We were rushing ( as I said car breakdown) so I just did it. Not a big deal. It was nothing to do with who rules the house.
Thank you for the gift ideas @Redsquirrel5 . We are in Australia but I can think of things along those lines. Yes I do feel for her as she is quite social and FIL is heading towards hermit status.
I think the loss of filter is very true. My 85yo dad has lost his completely. First thing I noticed was him laughing at stuff that wasn't really funny. MIL was doing that this morning too. So much stress! I was just really shocked at her behaviour towards DS as I haven't seen that before. They have him to stay overnight a few times a year and I now I'm not sure that's a great idea.

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THisbackwithavengeance · 21/07/2022 08:18

As an aside, if anyone gets me a lovely mug for a present, I will be very pleased. I love nice household things as it's always something I would never buy for myself.

I hate it when kids are described as 'spoilt' just because their parents do something for them.

Call her out on it OP, she may be elderly but she's clearly not stupid.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 21/07/2022 08:26

Going against the grain here but I dont think this is ok, at all!

If she thinks he should be more independent then she could ask him why he can't do it himself now he is 10.

Yelling insults at someone over nothing, is not acceptable. It's not acceptable no matter what their age, no matter if that's 'just their personality', no matter what their job used to be and no matter how much they love and help out.

How many of the people saying it's ok would be happy that their MiL yelled at them they were spoiled if their husband did something to them

I'm not sure how I'd approach it though. Has your son said anything? Did he seem upset?

LibrariesGiveUsPower · 21/07/2022 08:28

teezletangler · 21/07/2022 04:19

Would it be a reach to suggest something like dementia setting in? It does sound like a strange outburst, even if it's within the limits of her normal personality.

What was she like immediately after the outburst?

This was my thought too.

LibrariesGiveUsPower · 21/07/2022 08:29

And loss of filter is common with Alzheimer’s.

LookItsMeAgain · 21/07/2022 08:34

I'd just go with "I beg your pardon? What did you just say there?" and ask her to repeat what she just said.
See if by focussing her mind she realises that saying someone is a spoilt brat or whatever might actually get her to stop saying it.

If this is out of the blue, you could also go in with the "I'm very concerned about y your health as this is not like you to behave like this or say things like that."

SolasAnla · 21/07/2022 08:44

marvellousmaple · 21/07/2022 04:41

Well , as I've just explained he's not a spoilt brat so I don't really get your quote.
I'm not ageist - someone asked how old she is. She has been the same since I met her when she was early 60's.
If you are looking for an argument maybe pick someone else? I'm too tired with the amount of stuff I have going on. You can just vote that I am unreasonable if it makes you happy.

Your MIL may have noticed that you have a lot going on.

Like packing your 10year old's school bag. Which he has now said that he feels he can pack.

At what stage did your other children make it so difficult, that you decided it would be easier to do the stuff they should be in responsible for, yourself?

HMSSophia · 21/07/2022 08:51

So he's old enough to know when to brush his hair but not old enough to pack his own lunchbox?

Anyway I think it's just a generational difference in how the child and parent relationship is seen. She's showing her (ok old fashioned) ways. She's unlikely to change. She brought your DH up to be a decent man I assume. I'd let it all go and talk to your kids about how beliefs about child rearing change every generation.

FictionalCharacter · 21/07/2022 08:55

It’s not OK to shout like that. Repeating it is very odd too. I’d hate that and would have to say something. Does she know she’s shouting? Regardless of what she’s saying she might not be aware that she’s actually shouting, it might be a habit. But for your dc’s sake I’d want it to stop.
Calling him a brat just because you packed his bag is horrible. I’d have to tell her that it’s normal for a parent to pack a young child’s school bag and please don’t call him a brat.
I’d be furious if anyone hit my dog. Having painful legs is no excuse, she could have just moved the dog off.

AtrociousCircumstance · 21/07/2022 08:58

Sounds like you’ve left her obnoxious behaviour go unchallenged for too long.

Shouting insults at your son and hitting your dog? Wow. Your DH needs to talk to her.

Planetearthisscrewed · 21/07/2022 08:58

Mug idea was lovely. Re too much stuff though I get that too, yes afternoon tea or trip out is nice

I would pull her up on her comments, just lightly but would definitely pull her up.

FlipFlops4Me · 21/07/2022 09:03

If someone hit one my dogs that would be the last time they ever set foot in my house. My dogs live here and it's their home. I'd not invite someone in again who I thought might hit them!

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 21/07/2022 09:16

Old person here ( though not as old as your MIL). I think I can explain the secondhand mugs.

as people get into their ( what they think of as ) last years, they don’t always want to spend money on ‘expensive’ new stuff. They think ‘oh, this will do’ ( my mother used to say ‘ it will see me out’) . We come from a period when people loved a bargain! Plus everyone tends to think that stuff has got much more expensive compared to when they were younger, and unless Australia has escaped current inflation, there’s a grain of truth in that.

other posters have talked about the filter declining, that has been a useful observation for me, I can see that happening with my DH and probably myself. I think that may help to explain the mug story as well, it’s a train of consciousness thing, she thinks ‘o mug, mugs, I just bought some mugs…..’ it’s not a comparison. It may also be that she doesn’t get much conversation at home, so she just wants to share her life a bit.

If your FIL is becoming a ‘hermit’ , I wonder whether there are other MH issues there, and your MIL , that is your husband’s mother, may be having quite a difficult time at home. That can make anyone rather less sensitive to other people when they finally escape the oppressive atmosphere. Any chance that your DH could explore some help?

please don’t think I am victim blaming here. You have said that overall she contributes more to your family’s well being than not, so it is worth trying to stop an escalation of bad feeling.

junebirthdaygirl · 21/07/2022 09:23

I think your ds will be well able for this. My dc loved their GPS funny ways and took absolutely no offence. Actually when my dm died they spent ages repeating all her stories and were genuinely heartbroken. He gets it..since he was still able to joke with her a few minutes later.

Magicandspiders · 21/07/2022 09:24

She sounds like she might be at the beginning of dementia?

marvellousmaple · 21/07/2022 09:29

SolasAnla · 21/07/2022 08:44

Your MIL may have noticed that you have a lot going on.

Like packing your 10year old's school bag. Which he has now said that he feels he can pack.

At what stage did your other children make it so difficult, that you decided it would be easier to do the stuff they should be in responsible for, yourself?

As my older children are very successfully and independently living their lives in their 20's I'm not too concerned about packing a school bag. Tiny thing to be worried about. I also did their washing!!!!! And they all worked out how to use a washing machine in about half an hour after leaving home. It ain't hard.
I obviously do more for my children than my MIL did for my DH . I don't expect anyone to believe me but she is in awe of how thoughtful my children are to me ( random flowers, birthday presents of tix to my fave 80's bands ; lunch arrivals with all food and drink as it's my birthday and we hadn't planned anything). That kind of thing. So yes I do and did a lot for my kids but it is my decision and my choice but it has been paid back in spades and we are very close. Anyway, it's not like my 10yo can run screaming at me - mum don't you dare put that lunch box in my bag!
It's such a strange thing to be upset about. She knows how well behaved he is at school and how academic he is. She is happy to have him visit whenever he wants as he is so easy to have around and FIL would not cope with any noise or drama.
Anyway, it was just strange.

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