Just privatise the NHS

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Totally prepared to be told IABU but I've just got to the point where I think the NHS is so far gone it should be privatised.

Totally outing so I've Name changed. In NI we have 2 private hospitals but they don't do emergency's, they don't do ante natal care. Really they only provide you with an appointment with a consultant who will then decide in treatment which in most cases will happen on the NHS. If it's something like cataracts they'll do it but the private hospitals here don't do anything major. Perhaps the rest of the UK is the same. I'm not sure.

Today DSis was sent to A&E by the GP. DM and her have now been waiting 7 hours to be seen. While waiting another man collapsed and died in front of them. I think this is beyond ridiculous how can they let this happen?! If people were seen in a decent time frame this would be less likely.

FIL has terminal cancer again nowhere to treat him when he gets recurring sepsis so most times he sits on a chair (around ever 2 months) for 36 hours getting an IV in A&E before he's finally gets moved to a ward.

I paid for private ante natal care each time I was pregnant. It did give me appointments every 3 weeks and scans with a consultant but when it came to giving birth it was a time when the consultant was working a shift for the NHS thus using their resources and beds. Yes the care was probably therefore cheaper than had I been paying for my stay in hospital too but it isn't an option here.

The whole things a complete joke. Those willing to pay/ have insurance are still stuck blocking the NHS which in my opinion should be there for those that can't afford their own treatment or can't get insurance through their job.

Surely if a lot of it was private, pay would be better, meaning more people choosing it as a career (and not leaving) meaning people actually get proper care! Though so much of what I think could be wrong as I don't understand it all fully.

Your relative needs to reflect back on when they were a junior doctor and the nurses saved their arse on many an occasion.

Also it was a nurse who believed me when I said my ds had meningitis, the Dr told me there was nothing wrong and to go home. Luckily I ignored him, otherwise ds would have died.

I agree with @MissyB1 - I think doctors - and particularly GP’s who spend a lot of time dealing with trivia - default to the common-but-not-serious even when there are red flag symptoms.

@TheSummerPalace if nurses are diagnosing patients on your doctor relatives unit that's not normal. It's my job to treat the patient as per the drs instructions and their diagnosis. Well out of my remit to diagnose.

Also I cannot count the amount of times that drs has mis prescribed things for my patients and I've had to change it for them. Massive under or over doses, so I have to bleep them to come back and fix it before I can give the treatment.

@XingMing We can. UK actually has plenty of money, but obviously if we pay less tax we will have less in future.

We are the fifty richest country in the world. "No money" is all ideological babble from right wingers.

We are the fifth richest country in the world, actually, and I agree that we shoould have a better record on healthcare... I just disagree with you over the optimal method of delivering it. You also have to refer to the original intentions of the NHS and the circumstances of the UK's population in 1947. The population was 49m, and most died within five years of retiring. Now we have a huge number of very geriatric people with complex and chronic conditions of ultra-aging and an explosion of dementias. The NHS would function much better if social care was better resourced.

The above was for @BronzeSage .

Yes we have nurse led walk in centres and minor injuries here too. And nurse led triage in a&e so that not everyone will see a doctor. We also have 111 to treat minor conditions over the phone. And 24/7 pharmacies I’m not sure what you think is inferior here?

Nor should they really-they don't have five years of medical school and subsequent junior doctor training...
However, ANPs with years of experience and specialist training can, very much, think 'outside of the box' IME (of working in healthcare).

Because the Tories want to run it into the ground to benefit from the privatisation. The same with everything else Maggie milk snatcher sold off.

I've actually found your post upsetting. The NHS is the greatest thing imaginable.

@XingMing I suppose it's a matter of political opinion and priorities, actually.

It does seem that the A&E and Maternity "care" attract the monster nurses in particular. I've never had even remotely humane experience in those departments.

NHS reminds me of the horrific government services of the dying USSR. No one cares, no one's responsible, shut up cause it's "free", no pain relief for anything and "lessons will be learnt".

Most of the time someone being responsible with the contents of their own pocket for the failures, improves the service no end.

Yes we have nurse led walk in centres and minor injuries here too. And nurse led triage in a&e so that not everyone will see a doctor. We also have 111 to treat minor conditions over the phone. And 24/7 pharmacies I’m not sure what you think is inferior here?

Just don't mention A&E. The most essential medical service is non-functional in this country.

@Faciadipasta can I just say that it's Midwives thst do post natal care not nurses

@HuffleWoof it was the HCA’s that were demonic when I gave birth - my midwife was lovely. HCA bellowed at me to take myself to the loo immediately after waking up from EMCS and while DS was on SCBU being helped to breathe.

Staff like that find themselves out of a job pretty quick when the health service doesn’t double up as an employment service for all the useless gobshite layabouts (who know they’ll never get fired).

A&E is shitty, because it's so frantic. It's the service of last resort. If you had been seen earlier by a GP, then it would have been much calmer. Going to A&E usually means you weren't seen before the crisis. Unless you fell off a ladder drunk doing DIY. Which is pretty average. .

I don't think that anyone actively tries to make childbirth or cancer treatmnet difficult. Having done both on the NHS, and been treated well, as I was during breast cancer more recently, the NHS works pretty well. But it is great at the acute stuff, and less good at managing low level chronic conditions, like daibetes 2.

Also it was a nurse who believed me when I said my ds had meningitis, the Dr told me there was nothing wrong and to go home. Luckily I ignored him, otherwise ds would have died.

I was talking generally. You are talking about one specific incident. There are good and bad in all professions. You can talk about your DS all you like on social media; but imo it’s not my place to discuss the patients of other people on social media.

Nobody asked you to. What a weird post! And yes I can speak about whatever I like, I don’t need you to tell me that 🙄

Queen Camilla,you would not have been given a drink in case you needed to go to theatre. Your wait would have been even longer!!!

Nobody asked you to. What a weird post! And yes I can speak about whatever I like, I don’t need you to tell me that 🙄

IMO, your post is irrelevant. The doctor could have got it wrong for any number of reasons, but a nurse considering meningitis is not my idea of thinking outside the box. I'm not a HCP, but its one of the illnesses that would spring to my mind, if I thought one my DC were seriously ill and didn't know why?

We'll be going on strike in October

Don’t blame you.