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To be LIVID at the National Theatre?

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helpmeunderstand04 · 17/07/2022 19:46

I was at the National Theatre festival this Saturday which was advertised as outdoor live music, dance, performance, workshops and family fun. I thought great, perfect way to spend a Saturday.

We were there from 6:30 and the drag act on stage was promoting inclusivity and had, what started as a great message. They said...

'We need to teach our children to open their hearts, teach our children to open their minds and to teach our children to open their legs'. The last line was said with the same tone as if it was a risque joke.

Both me and DP are just disgusted by what we saw. We couldn't believe it. This act had a short dress on and their bulge was showing through out. It was just plain weird. Fine in a club, not at a festival literally targeted as being good for families.

From then the evening just got weirder. There was a drag queen and a drag king contest. Great! I literally had never seen drag king acts and was really excited and thought it was great representation and diversity.

However, with every single drag king act they took their clothes off. No drag queens take their clothes off, but the drag kings did and were showing their scars from their mastectomy/gender affirming surgery. I do get the message that they are proud and don't need to hide and really I do agree with that. But it just felt weird that women who now identify as men are still having to take their clothes off, where as the drag queens didn't remove one item of clothing.

AIBU in feeling angry at the marketing team at the national theatre?

OP posts:
MichelleScarn · 17/07/2022 20:58

HappyGa · 17/07/2022 20:51

Are you going to take your kids out to a cocktail bar next, then complain that there are adults getting drunk and talking too loudly about topics that aren’t suitable for children??

Wherever someone makes a joke about 'teaching children to open their legs' I can't imagine it going down well? How can you compare that to alcohol at a bar?

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butterflied · 17/07/2022 21:07

'We need to teach our children to open their hearts, teach our children to open their minds and to teach our children to open their legs'

That's revolting.

I wouldn't have stayed after that.

SolasAnla · 17/07/2022 21:11

helpmeunderstand04 · 17/07/2022 20:06

No, I am all for drag story telling hour. They are fun and harmless and the kids love it.

No problem with drag since I was there. It was the comment about open legs that truly shocked me.

So you are going to

• bullshit on about how great male adult entertainer's are for children while you

• whine about how a male adult entertainer made foul CSA comments about children being sexually active,

•whine about female adult entertainer's providing female adult entertainment,

And you want to know who to feel angry at.

Don't be a hypocrite.

Be livid with yourself.

TuftyMarmoset · 17/07/2022 21:41

Even at an event that isn’t meant to be child friendly, that’s not an acceptable thing to joke about. I’d complain too.

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:44

YABU

It's called a joke.

But don't worry you'll get the MN 'feminists' on here telling you you're right soon enough

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:45

@oviraptor21 it's already been shown this wasn't for families, this date was clearly aimed at adults.

Mascia · 17/07/2022 21:46

LittleScottieDog · 17/07/2022 20:42

Whether or not it was family-friendly, I think it's disgusting to "joke" about children in that way. There is no 'right' way to take that comment - it's a sexual comment about children and, to me, that is not something you can laugh about.

I was going to say the same - doesn’t matter if it was a family friendly event or not, in what context/ environment is that “joke” acceptable?

helpmeunderstand04 · 17/07/2022 21:47

Okay, I have thought about it and yes, I made a mistake on being marketed at children.

Point still stands at how disgusting that joke was though.

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Mascia · 17/07/2022 21:49

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:44

YABU

It's called a joke.

But don't worry you'll get the MN 'feminists' on here telling you you're right soon enough

The joke is still disgusting.

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:49

helpmeunderstand04 · 17/07/2022 21:47

Okay, I have thought about it and yes, I made a mistake on being marketed at children.

Point still stands at how disgusting that joke was though.

There are many comedians who make jokes that go over multiple lines

Ask yourself if you'd be posting it on MN if it had been Frankie Boyle.

It's a joke, you didn't find it funny, many would have, move on with your life and get a grip

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:49

@Mascia as are many jokes in the world of stand up.

Mascia · 17/07/2022 21:50

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:49

@Mascia as are many jokes in the world of stand up.

So what? Doesn’t make this one any better.

VestofAbsurdity · 17/07/2022 21:55

What a surprise to see you supporting that 'joke' @alphapie.

AppleKatie · 17/07/2022 21:56

Why is it funny please?

(and people slag Frankie Boyle off on MN all the time)

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:56

VestofAbsurdity · 17/07/2022 21:55

What a surprise to see you supporting that 'joke' @alphapie.

Humour is subjective.

Would be a boring world if everyone found the same jokes funny.

There are many comedians who have dark humour and are immensely popular. Maybe you can also get a famous mn grip

VestofAbsurdity · 17/07/2022 22:00

Ooh, @alphapie touched a nerve have we? I trust your stance supports all jokes and the tellers of them?

SolasAnla · 17/07/2022 22:01

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:49

There are many comedians who make jokes that go over multiple lines

Ask yourself if you'd be posting it on MN if it had been Frankie Boyle.

It's a joke, you didn't find it funny, many would have, move on with your life and get a grip

Please do explain how you find child sex abuse to be funny.

hangrylady · 17/07/2022 22:06

alphapie · 17/07/2022 21:44

YABU

It's called a joke.

But don't worry you'll get the MN 'feminists' on here telling you you're right soon enough

Yeah nonces are a fucking hoot. Have a word with yourself.

alphapie · 17/07/2022 22:07

@hangrylady it's a joke

Christ on a bike

People that joke about abortions are baby killers, people that joke about Jimmy saville aren't pedophiles, people that joke about Prince Andrew at pizza express aren't sex traffickers.

alphapie · 17/07/2022 22:08

VestofAbsurdity · 17/07/2022 22:00

Ooh, @alphapie touched a nerve have we? I trust your stance supports all jokes and the tellers of them?

Pretty much yeah, I'm not all that sensitive tbh.

There has only been one joke I have heard and thought it was a bit much but still chuckled at it. (And it was Ali Wongs miscarriage joke)

StClare101 · 17/07/2022 22:09

I would formally complain about the “joke”.

I would have left immediately.

Siepie · 17/07/2022 22:09

luxxlisbon · 17/07/2022 20:01

www.nationaltheatre.org.uk/shows/river-stage-2022-the-glory-weekend

Surely it was this? I really have no clue how you thought this was suitable for children or family friendly.

“The Glory drag contests for showcasing emerging kings and queens celebrates, all genders and identities in a 2 hour extravaganza hosted by Sue Gives A Fuck and Prinx Chiyo.”

I mean, the joke was disgusting and not acceptable but nothing about this whole even screams ‘bring your kids’.

This. You decided to take your child to see an act called "Sue Gives A Fuck" and were surprised it wasn't appropriate?

RudsyFarmer · 17/07/2022 22:11

Aren’t ‘jokes’ meant to be funny?

hangrylady · 17/07/2022 22:12

alphapie · 17/07/2022 22:07

@hangrylady it's a joke

Christ on a bike

People that joke about abortions are baby killers, people that joke about Jimmy saville aren't pedophiles, people that joke about Prince Andrew at pizza express aren't sex traffickers.

Some people find racist jokes funny. Doesn't make it OK.