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Why do some people think Corbyn was a ‘terrifying prospect’?

238 replies

StillCuriouser · 10/07/2022 00:59

Taking a quote from a comment made on another thread.

I am not massively engaged in politics, but from what I understand Corbyn was pro-environment, pro-public services and re-nationalisation, he was a man who lived according to his own values.
He was laughed at for riding a bike and making jam. He was accused of being anti-semitic, though I didn't see any persuasive evidence of this, and- though not wanting to engage in whataboutery- Johnson’s awful racist remarks didn’t prevent him from gaining power.

I understand that people will have disagreed with him in policy. But what about him was did people feel was “terrifying” and so beyond the pale?
If Boris was electable and Corbyn was not I feel there must be something horrific about Corbyn that I am missing?

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User135644 · 10/07/2022 10:35

Got any examples of successful neoliberal capitalist regimes?

The whole rotten system collapsed in 2008 and since then we've had a decade of austerity to try and prop it up and printing endless amounts of money.

It's collapsed.

Fimofriend · 10/07/2022 10:41

His minions harrassed members of Labour who disagreed with him and the harassment was extra nasty towards the female members of Labour. He ensured rhat there were no women in high positions in the party.

He couldn't see the value in trying to engage with young voters. He was invited to speak at Glastonbury before the Brexit vote but couldn't be bothered. He did go the next year but that was because the extensive criticism of his initial refusal.

He claims to be for equality but he clearly means "for all men close to my age".

Also... I don't know why but I have a clear impression that Corbyn simply doesn't understand the modern society ie. Internet, the global village, that women have rights and are seen as human beings, that people in general are more educated than when he was young.

StillCuriouser · 10/07/2022 10:43

rushrushflat · 10/07/2022 10:23

And there you go the OP is a troll, it was obvious from the start.

I have made it perfectly clear through all my posts that I despise Boris Johnson!

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Perfect28 · 10/07/2022 10:51

Corbyn was pro Palestinian, which anyone in their right mind should be too. This is misconstrued as antisemitism. In addition your remarks re socialism vs capitalism are spot on. Everyone screams socialism doesn't work whilst denying the reality that Clearly, neither does capitalism.

HRTQueen · 10/07/2022 10:53

Again student politics

all those that disliked Corbyn are bots, love Johnson, are secret Tory voters and so on

sadly Labour will be marked by Corbyn for sometime this is how politics works in the UK can cry all you like that people over look Johnson’s actions you work with what you have and only when in power cna you make changes

Blair understood this as does Starmer unfortunately he just isn’t connecting with voters. Would help if he finally rid the shadow cabinet of all of the far left (Rayner can go back to the benches)

AnaïsM · 10/07/2022 10:54

Perfect28 · 10/07/2022 10:51

Corbyn was pro Palestinian, which anyone in their right mind should be too. This is misconstrued as antisemitism. In addition your remarks re socialism vs capitalism are spot on. Everyone screams socialism doesn't work whilst denying the reality that Clearly, neither does capitalism.

He was pro Palestine and presided over a party that became antisemitism to the core.

BloodAndFire · 10/07/2022 10:58

He was a terrifying prospect to me, my family, friends and community because we are Jewish.

I've had decades of being patronised and gaslighted about antisemitism and I'm not remotely interested in anyone telling me that the evidence of my own direct experience is wrong or untrue.

So I'm just answering the op's question.

If you (anyone reading this) choose to carry on believing that Jews are idiots or liars, that we don't know virulent antisemitism when it's directed at us, that's your choice.

There were many many opportunities to understand and listen at the time but sadly many people weren't willing to do so.

That's it.

myuterusistryingtokillme · 10/07/2022 10:59

His policies were too extreme. And on a personal level he very much came across as a weasley little man that would make really shit decisions and dig his heels in just to prove a point and then get cross if someone challenged him on it

myuterusistryingtokillme · 10/07/2022 11:01

Oh and I can't stand the bumbling moron Boris either

HRTQueen · 10/07/2022 11:02

Did you see the press conference when the joke of a report about anti Semitism in the Labour Party was released

momentum heckler attacking MP Ruth Smeeth Corbyn did nothing to intervene we all know if this was a different situation say a Palestinian women being attacked verbally in such a way he would have intervened

again shows empathy for him is always political that’s not what we want from the Labour leader

Gingernaut · 10/07/2022 11:15

@TomPinch yes, well aware of the historical context of the Scot crushing verse.

A lot of people don't know about it at all.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 10/07/2022 11:33

The admiration for Chavez was surely enough even without the anti semitism on top. To me, a case of worn-out student socialist ideology over reality.

I don’t think he ever truly wanted to be PM though. He’d have had to put his money where his mouth is, instead of just criticising everybody and everything else.

User135644 · 10/07/2022 11:49

AnaïsM · 10/07/2022 10:54

He was pro Palestine and presided over a party that became antisemitism to the core.

Pro-Palestine but a lot of Labour MP's aren't. Labour Friends of Israel has a lot of members in the PLP and they were never having Corbyn, or a pro-Palestine leader.

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 10/07/2022 12:00

Gingernaut · 10/07/2022 10:15

Your point being what? None of the verses are ever sung now apart from the first. The 1745 campaign was utterly deluded and led by a useless waster who supported the divine right of kings.

roarfeckingroarr · 10/07/2022 12:07

I can't back Palestine while they're run by and backed by terrorists who believe in the total obliteration of Israel

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 10/07/2022 12:11

TomPinch · 10/07/2022 10:25

I prefer the Wikipedia article, which states that this verse only ever had any use in, about, 1746 (just after an army of Scots approached London) and was never part of the National Anthem.

You and Zarquon didn't do your homework before posting.

Why is anyone dragging up this nonsense about "crushing the Scots"? But as Tom Pinch says get your history right. There was considerable opposition to the Jacobites within Scotland.

jgw1 · 10/07/2022 12:15

roarfeckingroarr · 10/07/2022 12:07

I can't back Palestine while they're run by and backed by terrorists who believe in the total obliteration of Israel

Can you back Israel when they are run by and backed by terrorists who believe in the total obliteration of Palestine?

Glitternails1 · 10/07/2022 12:15

Luxa · 10/07/2022 01:48

Corbyn is a champagne socialist who went to private school and grew up in a 7-bedroom house. In no way was he a 'man of the people', just a chancer who thought wearing a cap would qualify him as one. He was convincing to many of the hipster middle class, and the pretend hippies at 'Glasto'. But, sly, false, defensive and prickly, he did not appeal to the northern working class at all. He isn't the brightest spark, and dropped out of his degree course in Trade Union Studies at North London Poly after a year. He is too false and unintelligent to be in charge of anything important. Mind you, slippery lawyer Starmer is worse.

My thoughts exactly. It doesn’t matter what colour tie they wear, they’re all cut from the same cloth. I can’t think of a party that represents the working class, only middle and upper class.

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 10/07/2022 12:18

bellinisurge · 10/07/2022 08:12

Corbyn encouraged antisemites. I watched him smiling beatifically as an anti semite ripped into Luciana Berger a few feet in front of him. Genuinely thought about leaving the country if he got in. My Dad was Jewish.

The treatment of Luciana Berger was particularly egregious given her family background.

Plantstrees · 10/07/2022 12:28

There seem to be a common misunderstanding of the differences between communism, socialism and democratic socialism (e.g. China, Soviet Russia, etc - all very left-wing with a similar long-term aim of state/community control) and a social democracy as practiced in the Nordic countries and the UK under Labour in the pre Thatcher years that supported a capitalist society but wanted more investment in infrastructure. As a result I think many Labour supporters are confused about what they actually want.

jgw1 · 10/07/2022 12:31

Plantstrees · 10/07/2022 12:28

There seem to be a common misunderstanding of the differences between communism, socialism and democratic socialism (e.g. China, Soviet Russia, etc - all very left-wing with a similar long-term aim of state/community control) and a social democracy as practiced in the Nordic countries and the UK under Labour in the pre Thatcher years that supported a capitalist society but wanted more investment in infrastructure. As a result I think many Labour supporters are confused about what they actually want.

At least Conservative voters know that they want their lord and masters to take charge of their lives, to ensure that they have barely enough to get by on, but are happy because they get to doff their cap to their supposed betters.

AnaïsM · 10/07/2022 12:33

jgw1 · 10/07/2022 12:31

At least Conservative voters know that they want their lord and masters to take charge of their lives, to ensure that they have barely enough to get by on, but are happy because they get to doff their cap to their supposed betters.

What a strange thing to post. It’s this sort of sneering bigotry that turns good people away from Labour.

knitnerd90 · 10/07/2022 12:34

He consistently failed to get hold of antisemitism within the Labour Party ( I"m Jewish). It was a constant "but I mean well so I can't be antisemitic" even as incidents kept happening. His supporters constantly tried writing it all off as a plot. He couldn't take criticism, it was always a way to undermine him. And he was anti-EU. Quite possibly his inability to muster a proper pro-EU campaign helped Brexit to win.

I voted Lib Dem last round.

jgw1 · 10/07/2022 12:37

AnaïsM · 10/07/2022 12:33

What a strange thing to post. It’s this sort of sneering bigotry that turns good people away from Labour.

I was explaining why I will be voting Conservative at the next election, if that makes me a bigot so be it.

Plantstrees · 10/07/2022 12:45

jgw1 · 10/07/2022 12:31

At least Conservative voters know that they want their lord and masters to take charge of their lives, to ensure that they have barely enough to get by on, but are happy because they get to doff their cap to their supposed betters.

Conservatives believe in a limited government and a free market economy. In simple terms that means they take the approach of 'every man for himself' (although it is not that simple because even the Conservatives accept that many people need help and support). Not sure how that correlates to your idea of "lords and masters taking charge of their lives". Bizzare!

I think the centre line that most people would accept is Liberalism. Unfortunately we no longer have an effective Liberal party.