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Aibu about annoying FIL and how to reply

33 replies

Hothammock · 09/07/2022 12:49

FIL is the type who doesn't lift a finger about the house, not even making a cup of tea for himself nevermind for someone else. When he visits he assumes best spot, top of the table and is basically waited on the entire time. He gets irritated by active kids and is very big on table manners particularly children not leaving the table until they ask and are given permission. We don't have this ritual performance in my house. The kids stay at the table while everyone eats and then help clear up. I don't wait on them, they get up to fetch juice or cups or ketchup etc as required for themselves or if someone else needs it. We don't do the permission thing, they just get up and start clearing with the adults(except him). There is no messing around or toys etc so it is just the asking permission thing that vexes him.

He always comes out with the line... In my days we had to ask permission... children have different expectations now and don't seem to understand manners and so on.

Tbh I've had enough of ignoring it.
It's really annoying me.

What can I say back with out causing a family row? I feel like it's gone unchecked long enough and he is basically bullying the kids who are now big enough to register and start feeling self conscious. I don't subscribe to kids being made to feel inferior or shy around adults, I want them involved.

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Threetulips · 09/07/2022 12:52

Well the world moves on - it much better that they are helpful in clearing up - so you want to wash or dry?

If he asks for tea - you say ‘you know where the kettle is, I’ll have two sugars thank you’

Two can play the same game.

MumW · 09/07/2022 12:55

This is the routine in our house
In this house everyone helps out
My house, my rules
It isn't 1950, you know <tinkley laugh>
They aren't being rude, they're being helpful

Also, your DH should be the one telling FIL to stop behaving like an entitled jerk.

Summerwhereareyou · 09/07/2022 12:57

In your day fil some men expected to be waited on by a woman and the woman stayed at home.
So we have totally inept incompetent men who can't do the basics.

I'm raising children to be involved,clear the table, etc so I have different priorities.

That is more important to me in our day now.

WarrickDavisAsPlates · 09/07/2022 12:57

Just tell him what you've written in your last paragraph.

"Well (rude bastard) FIL, we don't subscribe to treating children as inferior and are teaching them the importance of being involved in the family by actively participating in the clear up and preparing of meals"

Add on a "so they end up being lazy, self important dick heads like you" if you fancy.

Fenella123 · 09/07/2022 12:58

Don't dignify his unwelcome remarks with anything but a stony silence! It is a delightfully effective tactic ;)

katseyes7 · 09/07/2022 13:03

My ex FIL was like this.
One of his more ludicrous excuses for (example) not putting the kettle on was 'it's dangerous to mix water and electricity'.
Didn't mind his wife or anyone else doing it, though. Or using the washing machine.
His sister in law was brilliant, though. When she visited and was asked if she'd like tea or coffee, she'd say "I'll have one if XXX makes it...."
Your FIL is a dinosaur. I'd be treating him as such and pretending he's extinct.

OhWhatFuckeryIsThisNow · 09/07/2022 13:08

“And in my day men don’t sit on their arses expecting to be waited on.”

GabriellaMontez · 09/07/2022 13:10

He visits your home, sits where he likes and speaks as he pleases. Why is it you can't speak freely? Why is it you that has to worry about a row? Say what you said here. Go a step further. Tell him that what is really rude is his manners.

pigsDOfly · 09/07/2022 13:11

Don't dignify his unwelcome remarks with anything but a stony silence!

As above.

You won't change his views, and frankly, anyone who goes to someone else's house, sits themselves at the head of the table and expects to be waited on hand and foot has a very tenuous grasp of manners.

He obviously think manners are for anyone who isn't him.

Your children sound helpful and delightful. He sounds like an oaf. I wouldn't bother defending your children or how your family works to him, he doesn't deserve the head space.

Flopisfatteningbingforchristmas · 09/07/2022 13:12

In my day we all help each other out and help clear away.

JesusInTheCabbageVan · 09/07/2022 13:13

How about: 'We brought them up to be polite and respectful. For example, I'd never let them [insert FIL twattish behaviour here]. I'd be so mortified if they did something like that!'

Turnthatoff · 09/07/2022 13:15

“Hmmmm. Interesting. In MY day, the men help to cook and clear up.”

bluebeck · 09/07/2022 13:21

What does your DP/DH say about his fathers behaviour?

I would not be allowing my DC to be bullied in their own home and wouldn't give a shiny shit if FIL was upset if challenged. Tbh I probably wouldn't be hosting him at all.

Fivefor · 09/07/2022 13:26

Hothammock · 09/07/2022 12:49

FIL is the type who doesn't lift a finger about the house, not even making a cup of tea for himself nevermind for someone else. When he visits he assumes best spot, top of the table and is basically waited on the entire time. He gets irritated by active kids and is very big on table manners particularly children not leaving the table until they ask and are given permission. We don't have this ritual performance in my house. The kids stay at the table while everyone eats and then help clear up. I don't wait on them, they get up to fetch juice or cups or ketchup etc as required for themselves or if someone else needs it. We don't do the permission thing, they just get up and start clearing with the adults(except him). There is no messing around or toys etc so it is just the asking permission thing that vexes him.

He always comes out with the line... In my days we had to ask permission... children have different expectations now and don't seem to understand manners and so on.

Tbh I've had enough of ignoring it.
It's really annoying me.

What can I say back with out causing a family row? I feel like it's gone unchecked long enough and he is basically bullying the kids who are now big enough to register and start feeling self conscious. I don't subscribe to kids being made to feel inferior or shy around adults, I want them involved.

"Kids also used to be sent down chimneys, times change. If you don't like how we parent, you're welcome to leave."

notamilf · 09/07/2022 13:34

My Grandad was exactly the same. I didn't think too much about it at the time as I was only young but now looking back it gets me really annoyed. It's so hard to think of a good comeback at the time isn't it! Next time he says "In my day....bla bla bla" just reply "Oh how awful it must be for you now that children don't ask permission to go for a wee or a drink. They don't even get the cane at school anymore either! And don't even get me started on women being allowed to vote and drive cars. The world's gone mad!"

2bazookas · 09/07/2022 13:44

"Your days were 50 years ago in a past century. "

"Back in your day, wasn't every man called upon to serve?"

"Back in your day, guests had good manners too".

2bazookas · 09/07/2022 13:47

Back in the old days, if you insulted a man's wife and children, he'd challenge you to a duel and shoot you dead. I really miss the old days".

Crumpledegg · 09/07/2022 13:51

Just give a chuckle and tell him you're glad its not 19oatcake anymore.
Can't stand people like him.

ThinWomansBrain · 09/07/2022 13:51

How old is the entitlled twat? If still alive, my Father would be 85 now, and he cetainly didn't have the "expect to be waited on' attitude - my grandfather did; he was born in the 1890's FFS.
Just say that it's your home, you don't have such Victorian attitudes and FiL can leave the table and bugger off home without asking if he doesn;t like it

Goldbar · 09/07/2022 13:52

He'd be expiring from hunger and thirst in our house 😂! You fend for yourself here or go without.

IncompleteSenten · 09/07/2022 13:56

Times change.
Men can even clear tables and make their own drinks nowadays.

Fuck him. Seriously.

longtompot · 09/07/2022 13:59

He always comes out with the line... In my days we had to ask permission... children have different expectations now and don't seem to understand manners and so on
I'd reply 'well in OUR day, which is now, we all pitch in and help and don't expect to be waited on hand and foot'

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 09/07/2022 14:00

Crumpledegg · 09/07/2022 13:51

Just give a chuckle and tell him you're glad its not 19oatcake anymore.
Can't stand people like him.

I don't know if 19oatcake was deliberate, but I'm stealing it!

ClaryFairchild · 09/07/2022 14:09

And at what age do boys go from asking permission to demanding they get served?

Thelnebriati · 09/07/2022 14:12

Hothammock Say something to your kids. Tell them FIL doesn't make the rules in their home, they should ignore his silly comments, and that you appreciate their good manners.