AIBU to think that Sex Education should not be delivered by men who set themselves up as "Sex Education Specialists" and tell teenagers prostitution can be rewarding

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The latest horror being reported on in The Times and The Daily Mail, quotes from Safe Schools Alliance:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/35cd493a-fee1-11ec-88db-ae1b6b9bdd3e?shareToken=5727832e05f12b11a3f5f013a0a493ac

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10996893/Children-told-prostitution-rewarding-job-sex-education-providers-promote-kinks.html?fbclid=IwAR0KCS_n_-9Jr_NXsURgRz6qPbdtGktT0Wfw_O3C3kpgZeXHl5FL5WsokB4

twitter.com/SafeSchools_UK/status/1545665347730145280?s=20&t=A7LxK6jkwjG9AECtpMXC0A

Lots of examples from BISH which is run by Justin Hancock, includes material on kinks and fetishes ("n a post about “kink”, Bish links to a blog that provides a list of sexual activities including using manacles and irons, whips, swinging and beating) advice to a 14 year old having sex with her boyfriend that "she probably won't get pregnant using the withdrawal method". He failed to mention the relationship was illegal and also suggested lots of lube for anal sex.

Justin charges schools between £500-£600 a day to deliver this so called sex education.

Other examples covered in the story include materials from the Proud Trust advising parents to make play doh models with their children to demonstrate masturbation.

AIBU to think safeguarding has gone out of the window and sex education needs to be regulated with safeguarding principles at the heart?

Oh good God. How could any sane person seriously think this was acceptable? More sunlight definitely needed and let us please close down these deeply dodgy organisations

It's appalling isn't it? I don't understand why more parents aren't up in arms about it.

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Parents don't know I guess. I'm not sure what my DC is being taught for example. I may write to the school asking if they contract out their RSE education.

In another post on the site, a reader wrote to say that she felt “dirty” after being coerced into having sex for money. Hancock replied: “There are many many people doing sex work who do enjoy what they do — even if they don’t necessarily enjoy the sex. It can be a really difficult job but many people find it rewarding — just like other jobs.
“This is especially true if sex workers mainly have good clients, which I don’t think you do. If you did want to continue, maybe you could get better clients?”

So a child who feels "“dirty” after being coerced into having sex for money" should simply be more discerning and "get better clients"

Wow.

It’s PIE happening before our eyes, once again under the guise of ‘progressiveness’ and ‘enlightening our kids’.

There shouldn’t BE any ‘sex education charities’ - they’re too ripe for ideological picking, and the safeguarding checks seem to be seriously dodgy (family sex show anyone?). There should be a set curriculum, taught in schools by teachers and school nurses, with more school nurse drop in clinics.

please write to the education minister (who is it these days?) asking for this to be enforced

@Wouldloveanother yes it is pie

People don't know op, if anyone is on twitter then blast twitter...

Everywhere get it out there.

People simply don't know and I think like me , left behind not knowing the right or wrong things to say anymore!

Groomers pure and simple. The teachers that enable this are also probably groomers as well.

Check their hard drives.

I don’t 100% agree with the advice given but I think the articles will fully Misrepresents what was said.

Here was the actual advice given:
https://www.bishuk.com/your-questions/ask-bish-should-i-get-paid-to-have-sex/

How is there never any money for toilet roll or tissues at school to the point schools are running bake sales and bbqs trying desperately to raise funds.

Yet there's money for stuff like this.

Time to bring sex education back to basics. Kids need to know about biology, consent, the law, contraception, peer pressure, healthy relationships etc

They do not need to know about prostitution and how much lube to use to try and prevent huting themselves performing risky adult practices.

If a school brings in a company then children will Google said company amd do some further reading.

This is not right at all.

Just had a quick look at the BISH website, which describes itself as a "guide to sex, love and you for everyone over 14. It’s for people who are (or are thinking about) having sex and relationships. Hopefully it’s for all genders and sexualities (even asexual folk), people with disabilities, backgrounds, beliefs and values. It’s got a UK vibe so we say ‘snog’, ‘fancy’ and ‘shag’ a lot."

An article about "No Nut November':
www.bishuk.com/sex/tips-for-no-nut-november/

This man/company delivers sex education to children? Good grief!!

People and organisations like this make me murderous.
When society finally collapses I’ll become a vigilante and spend my days dispatching these types.

I just don't think a lot of people are aware of what's going on.

Then of course you've also got the people that are so open-minded that their brains have fallen out, who think anything goes and anyone who objects is a prude. (See the rainbow dildo monkey and drag queen story time)

It's scary times when people don't realise that there are so many organisations trying to indoctrinate their kids into things that are way above their maturity level and the useful idiots are waving it all along with a smile and a flag.

I've just followed your link and it's even worse than I expected! He's very gently talking a young woman whose age he doesn't know (he's guessing she's over 18) into questioning the beliefs and values that make her reluctant to become a prostitute.

It’s not my job to talk you into or out of sex work. You’ve seen (and maybe have some experience) some of the difficulties about getting paid to have sex but also some of the positives too. ... Remember also that there are many many people doing sex work who do enjoy what they do – even if they don’t necessarily enjoy the sex. It can be a really difficult job but many people find it rewarding – just like other jobs.

But it's not "just like other jobs", is it? As an adult knows.

Lots and lots of soft soothing words, gently dissolving young people's boundaries and easing them ever so nicely into the sex market.

It's scary times when people don't realise that there are so many organisations trying to indoctrinate their kids into things that are way above their maturity level and the useful idiots are waving it all along with a smile and a flag

Yes many have backed themselves into a bit of a corner now. Things like rainbow dildo butt monkey have been waved on through in the name.of inclusion and diversity , when the inevitable happens, and something like this comes up which has nothing to do with it, well what can you say...you can't turn round and say its inappropriate when a year ago it was ok in class to play the dice game ...

Thing is he, and others, have been discussed here before. His advice is awful, should be illegal and he has no basis from which to spread his grooming crap from. He's just wrong!

Meant to add, him and his mate Meg-John Barker have been discussed here on numerous occasions and, no matter what credentials they have, insights they claim, etc, they are in no way a credible source of sex education for anyone, make, female, young adult or fully grown adults.

They have a bias that makes their 'advice' quite ugly

You are expecting the establishment to not normalise this stuff and really it is unreasonable in that that's exactly what they are doing and I don't think any amount of moaning or petitioning will help. Lots of us have taken our children out of school and the result of that is the schools bill where give councils power to send our children back to school without any assessments. We will fight it, but they are determined to get every child into this.

If you have a chid in school challenge this while we challenge the schools bill.

How do parents know if it's these people delivering their sex ed???

How ??

You ask to see all the teaching materials and ask who will be delivering it.

Haven’t there been instances where the provider says parents can’t view the material?

i do feel like it’s PIE again, although BISH published an article yesterday, presumably in response to being asked for comment on the Mail & Times articles, which effectively makes them impossible for schools to use.

www.bishuk.com/your-call/sex-relationships-and-the-right/

Quite bizarre.
God awful website.
Government put aside a few million for RSE education, usual belief that private sector will provide. Very much mistaken I feel.

Why are schools allowing this to happen?

12 years of Tory government.

So she was raped by a man who gained entry to her home by false pretence.

Date raped in old terms.

Or failing to obtain enthusiastic consent as children should be taught.

So what is the lesson plan /advice to a child?
(a) It is ok to say no and your refusal will be ignored untill you allow the sex to happen.
(b) If your partner the person you want to have sex with said no, keep insisting she/he will have sex, just persist untill you obtain a surrender.