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To know know whether to hug her or murder her!

77 replies

Mememene · 08/07/2022 12:30

My mother is 90 and very much all there, she craves attention and if the family don't jump we'll get told in no uncertain terms. I was told to "F off" last night, she's threatened the neighbours, this has been going on for decades so by no means only with her old age.

I was called by a sister as a food delivery service had noticed the curtains were still closed and she couldn't be raised. Bless Wiltshire Farm Foods for doing this. My sister called me as I'm local so I popped down there. The bedroom door was locked, I'm gently tapping, which goes to knocking, I'm knocking on the bedroom window begging her so say something, even if it's "Get lost", there's nothing no sound, no reaction, nothing. She is deaf but not so that she wouldnt hear me knocking on the bedroom door and window.

By now i'm in tears, totally panicked my calls and knocks are met with silence, I'm thinking this is the time we lose her, she's gone. I phone the police to break into the bedroom door, who were totally amazing. I said this could be when she passes or she could be playing me up again.

I call through the door that the police are here and if she doesn't let us know she's ok the door will be going in. The police say the same thing. He taps the door with the ram thing and she opens it right as rain.

She won't speak to me, but replies to whatever the police say to her.

I've been in pieces for a couple of hours, couldn't stop crying, thinking she was gone. But I'm also thinking that she knew what she was doing, we've been in similar situations before and it's a nasty thing to do, to scare and worry someone like that.

Before you judge me too harshly I used to be her carer and after years of switching between nasty and lovely I had to hand it over to the rest of the family as it was making me ill.

So am I being unreasonable to not know whether to hug her (not that she'd let me) or tell her to stop creating drama (not that it would work).

The day I don't respond will be the day she does really need help so I can't ignore her.

OP posts:
Mememene · 08/07/2022 18:33

LookItsMeAgain · 08/07/2022 17:32

Someone could be perfectly mentally capable but just need to be in a nursing home because they need to be looked after.
"The problem is that she has mental capacity so she cannot be put into a nursing home against her will. If we get her in there she is free to walk back out again. We know as she's done it before."
She can't leave of her own volition, she's 90. If she leaves, you will sue the nursing home.
The fact that she is pulling stunts like this on you and your siblings, is not on.

I'd also get someone in to change all of the internal doors to having this type of mechanism on them:
www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=adjustable+roller+catch+keep
that way there are no locks that can be operated by a key anymore.

Unfortunately age doesn't come into it, we've looked at this before.

If she is deemed to have sufficent mental capacity she is free to leave and the nursing home cannot stop her. They can try to persuade, cajole etc. but they can't stop her.

Crazy I know. On one occasion she accused me of colluding with the nurses on a hospital ward to keep her in and screamed the place down until they called me ot collect her. It's like having a two year old's tantrums in a 90 year old's body.

I have largely walked away now, I am not her carer any more. I am on the emergency telephone line as I'm very close to her and do go to visit. My sister who has now taken over can call me to check on her as I'm close and she's not.

I won't go back to her having control of my life 24/7 which is what happened before. Nearly destroyed me. Never again.

OP posts:
Mememene · 08/07/2022 18:42

Update: My sister has been trying to call and there is no answer. I'm supposed to go down and check on her. But I'm not going through that again.

If my sister is concerned I'll tell her to get the police to do a welfare check on her. I'm not playing tonight.

OP posts:
picklemewalnuts · 08/07/2022 18:55

Absolutely. That's what you need to do. Stay strong!

BreadInCaptivity · 08/07/2022 19:18

picklemewalnuts · 08/07/2022 18:55

Absolutely. That's what you need to do. Stay strong!

100% this.

Actions have consequences.

If she's going to play silly buggers then you're going to work on the assumption that's what's happening again.

If she does need you and you've ignored her then that's her fault not yours.

She can act out all she wants but the result can't become having the entire family drawn into her drama. Let her stew.

beautyisthefaceisee · 08/07/2022 19:25

I don't think anyone would judge you! You poor woman!! x

senua · 08/07/2022 19:30

picklemewalnuts · 08/07/2022 18:55

Absolutely. That's what you need to do. Stay strong!

Thirded.
Don't get sucked in. Remember, there's no point going there because she won't engage with you.

Soubriquet · 08/07/2022 19:44

Mememene · 08/07/2022 18:42

Update: My sister has been trying to call and there is no answer. I'm supposed to go down and check on her. But I'm not going through that again.

If my sister is concerned I'll tell her to get the police to do a welfare check on her. I'm not playing tonight.

Good for you

FictionalCharacter · 08/07/2022 19:48

What a nasty, manipulative old lady. Mine was pretty awful but didn’t ever pull a trick quite that bad. What a slap in the face for you that she wouldn’t speak to you but opened the door and spoke to the police. She’s deliberately unsettling and goading you. You’re doing the right thing not playing her game again. If the police get called again because you’re not allowing her to control you, she can either choose to become known as a nuisance to the police, or she can pack it in.

Pallisers · 08/07/2022 20:02

You poor thing.

The thing is she got a great rise out of everyone today so this stunt is going to be permanently in her playlist. The only way of dealing with this, OP, is to cut contact or simply stop bothering. Your response in your update is perfect.

OhRiRi · 08/07/2022 20:17

Stay strong OP, you're doing the right thing by not rushing over and ultimately giving her what she wants. Let the police do a welfare check, let these...whatever they are - stunts? go on record

EarringsandLipstick · 08/07/2022 20:19

God OP you poor thing.

Your mum is horrific. She's treated you badly since childhood, the idea that she ignored you as a little girl is just so sad.

Definitely don't go tonight. No matter what.

She's exercising control & enjoying it. Hope you're ok & that the support on this thread has helped a bit 💐

OhRiRi · 08/07/2022 20:19

Pressed send too soon!

I also wanted to say well done on breaking the cycle, it sounds like you've been through a lot and come out the other sid where so many don't. Stay strong 💐

7eleven · 08/07/2022 20:38

Remind her of the story of the boy who cried wolf when you see her again!

Well done for setting your boundaries.

InFiveMins · 08/07/2022 21:02

It sounds really difficult for you, OP. Flowers No judgement at all - you're doing an amazing job in a tough situation.

DeusInAbsentia · 08/07/2022 21:06

OP, you have all my love and sympathy.

My Mum died a few years ago, but she became somewhat similar to yours on occasion after my Dad died. Her 'go to' punishment was "I'll have your Father buried!" For context, she'd got Dad's ashes with her and the plan was to put him in the plot with Mum when she passed. Quite why she thought having his ashes interred would be a threat I don't know, but it was always thrown at me if I'd done something she didn't like.

The toddler style tantrums were also a thing. Usually before we went on holiday or did something she didn't want me to do. She'd claim to be so very ill and be bothering our GP who I'm quite sure knew there was absolutely nothing wrong. In exasperation I told our GP this once and I think he took on board my concerns because a lot of pointless appointments seemed to stop.

I'm an only child, so for me turning off the phone was a lot easier. I found ceasing communication for a week was often a lot easier than the game playing.

The worst part was probably when she became actually ill. To my utter shame, I didn't really believe her for a while. She'd been having collapses, none of which I'd witnessed and when I'd gone rushing to her she'd be fine. I did doubt her. It did turn out that she had heart problems and after a pacemaker she did have a heart attack and die.

I loved her dearly and I do miss her, but she could be awkward, stubborn and not a very nice person to be around at times. She was absolutely like this when I was a teenager too but I think I glossed over it a bit in my mind.

Don't be too hard on yourself. Take a breath, take a break. This isn't your fault.
Flowers

bloodyunicorns · 08/07/2022 21:21

What an absolute bitch. I'd buy in care for her and distance myself big-time.

whydoesithurtsomuch · 08/07/2022 21:39

She is utterly vile. I would minimise contact, and please don't give in to her game playing tonight. She deserves to be given a warning by the police for wasting their time.

Dic · 08/07/2022 22:03

Don't play tonight.

I'm sorry your mum is such a nasty person and well done you for stopping drinking Flowers

newbiename · 08/07/2022 22:06

LookItsMeAgain · 08/07/2022 17:32

Someone could be perfectly mentally capable but just need to be in a nursing home because they need to be looked after.
"The problem is that she has mental capacity so she cannot be put into a nursing home against her will. If we get her in there she is free to walk back out again. We know as she's done it before."
She can't leave of her own volition, she's 90. If she leaves, you will sue the nursing home.
The fact that she is pulling stunts like this on you and your siblings, is not on.

I'd also get someone in to change all of the internal doors to having this type of mechanism on them:
www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=adjustable+roller+catch+keep
that way there are no locks that can be operated by a key anymore.

If she has capacity she absolutely can just walk out.

FreudayNight · 08/07/2022 22:09

I have said YABU.

she sounds an absolute horror, and truly ghastly.

how could you even be civil to someone who would do that to her children, or grandchildren.
I would struggle not to go ballistic.

Mememene · 09/07/2022 11:54

Mum was fine my sister got through in the end. I've said to my siblings I need time to get over her feigning her own death yesterday and I'm not going down there or playing her games.

I've handed it back the siblings who are trying to smooth over a falling out she's had with one neighbour, she threatened to smash another's car up. His leaves were coming over into her garden and he wouldn't cut them back, can you imagine how dreadful? (sarcasm intended) I did 20 years of caring for her and it very nearly broke me.

Self protection mode is switched on full blast. Siblings have been told I'm in hiding. Next chapter will be about to start............

OP posts:
Mememene · 09/07/2022 11:56

And thanks for the responses they have stopped me from feeling like a complete and utter selfish cow of a daughter. x

OP posts:
EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 09/07/2022 12:36

Yeah refuse to engage.if she doesn't answer the phone in future your dsis can just phone the police to do a welfare check

LookItsMeAgain · 09/07/2022 12:36

Mememene · 09/07/2022 11:56

And thanks for the responses they have stopped me from feeling like a complete and utter selfish cow of a daughter. x

Far from it. She on the other hand sounds very like the boy who cried wolf!

senua · 09/07/2022 12:47

Self protection mode is switched on full blast. Siblings have been told I'm not pandering to her any more.

Fixed that for you.
Don't be the one to make the first move. It's up to her to apologise for blanking you and getting the police involved. You can then decide if you want contact and on what terms.

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