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To know know whether to hug her or murder her!

77 replies

Mememene · 08/07/2022 12:30

My mother is 90 and very much all there, she craves attention and if the family don't jump we'll get told in no uncertain terms. I was told to "F off" last night, she's threatened the neighbours, this has been going on for decades so by no means only with her old age.

I was called by a sister as a food delivery service had noticed the curtains were still closed and she couldn't be raised. Bless Wiltshire Farm Foods for doing this. My sister called me as I'm local so I popped down there. The bedroom door was locked, I'm gently tapping, which goes to knocking, I'm knocking on the bedroom window begging her so say something, even if it's "Get lost", there's nothing no sound, no reaction, nothing. She is deaf but not so that she wouldnt hear me knocking on the bedroom door and window.

By now i'm in tears, totally panicked my calls and knocks are met with silence, I'm thinking this is the time we lose her, she's gone. I phone the police to break into the bedroom door, who were totally amazing. I said this could be when she passes or she could be playing me up again.

I call through the door that the police are here and if she doesn't let us know she's ok the door will be going in. The police say the same thing. He taps the door with the ram thing and she opens it right as rain.

She won't speak to me, but replies to whatever the police say to her.

I've been in pieces for a couple of hours, couldn't stop crying, thinking she was gone. But I'm also thinking that she knew what she was doing, we've been in similar situations before and it's a nasty thing to do, to scare and worry someone like that.

Before you judge me too harshly I used to be her carer and after years of switching between nasty and lovely I had to hand it over to the rest of the family as it was making me ill.

So am I being unreasonable to not know whether to hug her (not that she'd let me) or tell her to stop creating drama (not that it would work).

The day I don't respond will be the day she does really need help so I can't ignore her.

OP posts:
senua · 08/07/2022 13:45

Yes hadn't thought about the key being on the inside of the door, so losing it will have to be the way forward.
Why do you have to pussyfoot around by 'losing' a key? Just take the lock off the door.

picklemewalnuts · 08/07/2022 13:50

Because narcissistic rage, Senua. OP has no right to damage her mother's property. Her mother would scream blue murder about it.

Avoiding confrontation is generally more effective dealing with people like this.

The most important thing to remember is avoiding confrontation doesn't mean giving in. It means finding ways around problems that are not a direct challenge.

ShahRukhKhan · 08/07/2022 13:52

Older people can be assholes too. No matter how sweet they look. So can parents. She's being an asshole OP. Try not to facilitate it due to the 'sweet old lady' guilt. Definitely get keys cut. Honestly my elderly mother has become such a dick in the past couple of years, nasty, manipulative, lying, will say anything to 'win', selfish... I've told her so too. I was staying with her temporarily to make sure she was ok but I left (carers also come so she is not at risk). I'll always look after her and do what is right for her but I won't be abused and mistreated and nor should you. Sometimes that means caring at a distance, be that physical or emotional.

Sparksbakescakes · 08/07/2022 13:56

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Fluffycloudland77 · 08/07/2022 14:18

”Mad old people” 😁

SaltFlakes · 08/07/2022 14:36

All the while I'm reading this, I have a mental image of your mother as Catherine Tate's Nan.

Mememene · 08/07/2022 14:43

It's all quiet now, I've decided I'm not answering the phone if she calls for a ding dong. I'm going into self protection mode. I know if she can call my number she can also press the panic alarm which is easier. I'll have to go if that goes off but I'll worry about it when it happens.

It's taken an awful lot out of me, I'm still pretty shaken up. But now I'm also getting annoyed that I'm outside her room begging her just to say something and she wouldn't. She heard alright when the police said they were going to break the door in.

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thequeenoftarts · 08/07/2022 14:58

Oh I would tell her in no certain terms the next time she pulls a stunt like that it will mean you are questioning her ability to care for herself and keep herself safe, so you will be putting her into a nursing home....Tell your siblings no more, end of story, she is horrible doing that to you, scaring you all, wasting police time. Get them to agree even to her face, anymore of her antics and nursing home it is and she can join the other fucking mad people in there, as its only fools and mad people who behave in this manner. Play her right back at her own game and end this control streak over you all that she has

Lingoflaming · 08/07/2022 15:02

I'd have asked the police to lock her up for a night for wasting police time. What a narcissistic time waster.

Cameronnorrieisabitofalright · 08/07/2022 15:11

Precisely why u have been nc for 20 years!!. She sent a Woe Is Me letter about her knowing she was a rubbish dm but....
It went in the bin.

No regrets whatsoever..

BMW6 · 08/07/2022 15:12

Fuck me I wouldn't have anything more to do with her!

What a horrible, horrible person. Feel sorry for her neighbours.

Mememene · 08/07/2022 15:12

The problem is that she has mental capacity so she cannot be put into a nursing home against her will. If we get her in there she is free to walk back out again.
We know as she's done it before.

There was a time when the hospital had arranged a DOLS order with a care home on discharge, she was furious as she couldn't leave in lockdown It's unusual though when they have the capacity to make their own decisions, even bad ones.

Unfortunately it was me who called the police, not her, all she was doing was doing was lying in her bed letting me think she died.

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Echinops · 08/07/2022 15:13

I'd be tempted to lay blame on the door, must have been faulty if she couldn't open it, and send someone in to repair it, and take the lock or the whole darn thing off so she can't do that again. My mum did something similar and the panic and dread were awful.

Mememene · 08/07/2022 15:19

Cameronnorrieisabitofalright · 08/07/2022 15:11

Precisely why u have been nc for 20 years!!. She sent a Woe Is Me letter about her knowing she was a rubbish dm but....
It went in the bin.

No regrets whatsoever..

I take full responsibility for my drinking, but seven years ago I was in rehab and they told me, don't go back to caring for her, as if you do you'll end up drinking again. She turns from so grateful for my help to vicious.

It's not the whole story by a long way, but a big part of the jigsaw puzzle. I didn't go back to caring for her, though I do see her and make sure she's ok. I'm no longer her carer and I'm still sober thank goodness.

Though for a second thought I could do with a stiff brandy this morning. Not that I'd ever do it.

OP posts:
senua · 08/07/2022 15:20

I know if she can call my number she can also press the panic alarm which is easier. I'll have to go if that goes off
Why?

Show her that actions have consequences. If she locks herself in the bedroom then the lock gets taken off the door. If she won't engage with you during an emergency then you are taken off the contact list.

rnsaslkih · 08/07/2022 15:25

We have to forget the sweet old lady stereotype. Some people are mean and they never change.

senua · 08/07/2022 15:28

She turns from so grateful for my help to vicious.
Isn't this classic abuser behaviour? If she was vicious all the time then you would go NC. She is only 'grateful' long enough to suck you back in. Then she abuses you again.
What do you get out of this relationship?

Cluelessgift · 08/07/2022 15:31

Hahhahah know this very well!!
get her in a nursing home stop bothering your arse with her drama
if she was nice to you you’d be willing to do anything for her
look how she treats you and you still are willing to do almost anything
so she’s only got herself to blame

shes not going to change, all you can do is change your approach to her.

you sound a bit like my sister, she always thinks she’s being awful for putting in even the tiniest fraction of a boundary and elderly mother walks all over her, exactly the same things. To the point I wondered if you were my sister and I just hadn’t heard about this latest thing.

my sister won’t stop, feels too guilty in case something happens and it’s her fault
i have pointed out it isn’t her fault it’s the fault of the other adult in the situation that treats people awfully,
people not wanting to be around her or he’ll her is a consequence to her own actions
but she feel too guilty so that’s her choice.

Noticingb · 08/07/2022 15:34

Well done for getting sober and well done for not repeating those patterns with your DC op

liverpoolnana · 08/07/2022 15:58

I think the suggestion upthread about changing the lock on some pretext is a good one. Get one that closes on the inside by swiveling a knob, but which can be opened from the other side just by using a coin or credit card in a slot.

TyneTortoise · 08/07/2022 16:00

Stop martyring yourself OP and be done with her.
A female relative is currently going through this - running around for an elderly woman who’s always been a nasty piece of work. She gets so stressed that she yells at everyone else, walks around with a face but won’t give up because she’s ‘all the woman’s got’.

You’d never tell people to put with abusers. Why does that suddenly change when they become old? We pay for our sins, and people deserve to reap what they sow.

TyneTortoise · 08/07/2022 16:02

Also to add unlike what our culture says someone being blood family, or a mother doesn’t mean they deserve help. They can still be cruel, vicious and mean. And should be repaid in kind

ifonly4 · 08/07/2022 16:10

Sounds like you need and deserve a hug, OP, but not with her. All she had to do was to tell you to go away or even get lost. She's also wasted police time (again her not you!) which isn't on.

I understand you're the closest and she's elderly, but I really wouldn't be falling over backwards with her. Ignore her calls for now and give yourself a bit of space. If panic alarm every goes off and it's really not necessary, then I'd pull out of being the named person to contact.

slowquickstep · 08/07/2022 16:13

Lose the key, don't bother with a copy as she will just leave her key in the lock and you still won't be able to get in. Remind her she will cry wolf once too often and could be left on the floor for hours as nobody will be rushing to her aid anymore.

LookItsMeAgain · 08/07/2022 17:32

Someone could be perfectly mentally capable but just need to be in a nursing home because they need to be looked after.
"The problem is that she has mental capacity so she cannot be put into a nursing home against her will. If we get her in there she is free to walk back out again. We know as she's done it before."
She can't leave of her own volition, she's 90. If she leaves, you will sue the nursing home.
The fact that she is pulling stunts like this on you and your siblings, is not on.

I'd also get someone in to change all of the internal doors to having this type of mechanism on them:
www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=adjustable+roller+catch+keep
that way there are no locks that can be operated by a key anymore.