Tax childless adults

[Acidburn]

Hi all

Just saw the below article on LBC news:

www.lbc.co.uk/news/childless-tax-birthrate-uk-cost-of-living-paul-morland/

AIBU to think that this insane?

Some of the 'oh, but what about women who cannot have children?' comments on this thread have been really disturbing and divisive. That's all very unfortunate but the inference is that these women are somehow 'blameless' unlike those unnatural women who freely choose to remain unchilded.

The whole thing is fucking ridiculous.

Well I tell you what when I see you all over the threads where I have been called a paedophile, or unworthy of a decent house, or unworthy of taking leave when parents want it calling those people out individually then I will pay more attention to how you think I can be a better feminist.

In the meantime I will continue to have my own opinions thanks.

Fine, and I'll continue to think that you have been as manipulated as the idiots who hurt you.

I think some of us who are saying but what about those of us who can't have children are just saying it because we are seeing it from our perspective. But I defend any man or womens right to choose not to have children and you shouldn't be made to feel any different

Two throw away sarcastic comments in the whole thread are the only ones you have decided are worthy of this much attention.

Yeah, I'm the only one being manipulated here

But thanks for implying I'm an idiot, makes a change to unworthy at least

And I'm pretty outspoken on all those issues. I mean, mn is a big space but you can run through my post, it's all there.

Yeah, the whole thread is largely idiotic. Different shades of the same divisive, distracting shit.

I remember posting suggesting that I’d like it if flexible working practices were extended to me as they’d have a benefit (I didn’t say what for but I’m disabled). I had at least three women tell me I didn’t need them as I wasn’t a mother, and those who wanted flexible must to take second place to those who needed them.

Not one person called those women misogynistic, despite them saying that something shouldn’t be freely available to women who’ve not reproduced. Oddly enough though when I objected to the response I got, I was called misogynistic for not supporting mothers and therefore womens rights, and for wanting to see women put back to the 50s.

I can see why childless women get fed up, when the “feminism!!!” argument only gets brought out to protect mothers.

It's always women being pitted against each other.

There's no indication in the article that a tax would be only a tax on women (and how would that work in practice, would transwomen be taxed? Could women say they identify as men to get out of being taxed?) but penalising men for not having impregnated a woman has far more severe consequences than penalising women.

If this actually happened, it would essentially incentivise rape and reproductive control. We already live in a rape culture; this will legitimise and reward marital rape and forced pregnancy (which is already a known part of domestic violence).

And will it only affect married couples? Do people have to be actively raising their children to avoid tax, or is it simply the act of procreation that counts? If single men are taxed for not having knocked someone up, what on earth will that result in - men desperately trying to knock up the first random woman they see in a ONS then run off to avoid being taxed?

how do we square the circle that we do not have enough young people to carry out work that needs doing, while at the same time the world is over populated

employers could start being less fussy about who they recruit and not expecting 20 year olds to have 10 years' experience; they could invest in training and of course we were a member of a club of other countries which meant their residents could choose to come and work here.

They'd definitely have a benefit to me too. I gave up on trying to balance my chronic illness with a regular job and have retreated to working a mundane job from home. It's not my first choice but the only workable one I had. I'm not sure I've ever thought about it against a feminist framework but I would absolutely (if rather self servingly) defend your proposition - for what good it would do.

Yes but who decides who's a drain on society?

Do people have to be actively raising their children to avoid tax, or is it simply the act of procreation that counts?

Could they return their self assessment complete with a sperm donation?

This

Be fair now, they only want to be paid for unprotected sex, that does usually come at a slightly higher rate after all

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Yes but who decides who's a drain on society?

We could have an arbitrary rule like the one that's being proposed for childless adults.

Any child who isn't earning 30k a year by the time they are 30 years old is classed as a drain on the tax payer and their parents lose access to their state pension?

Stupid cnt.

We already pay more tax for services we don't use, or use A LOT less.

Maybe we should have our tax adjusted to remove the education etc bits then we might have more left over for ivf.

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@CourtneeLuv Tax adjustment would also help us to provide more towards our own retirement so that we're not burdening anyone's children with having to wipe our selfish non-reproductive arses. No discrimination between childless not by choice and childfree!

Paying totally for your own retirement is unrealistic for some. Either because you were in low-paid work, your nursery and childcare workers could not save for their own retirement. Or because you have care needs that are expensive. Contrary to the narrative on Mn most people do not go into care homes. Some never need paid care like my parents, others need only carers coming into the house for the last few months. But a smaller number of people do need more expensive care.

If you really want people to save more towards their own retirement you have to guarantee them a decent state pension. Because for many people, a small private pension leaves them worse off than a state pension plus benefits. A private pension is only worth it if it gives you quite a bit more than you would get in benefits.

This thread is quite eye opening in terms of how some women say they have been treated by other woman who happen to be mothers.

I have friends & family who aren't interested in having dc, it's pretty irrelevant in terms of our friendships with each other. Maybe it's because I'm in a london & lots of woman aren't mothers & those that are start later.

I do not think it is about mothers.
There is a certain kind of person who sees anyone making different choices to them as being critical of them as a person.

Imho it comes from insecurity about own choices. Some comments us childree/childless recieve are disgusting.

I'm not in London, but I've had my own fertility issues. Although I adore my son I'm not particularly maternal and comfortable with an only child.

I would never judge another woman for not having children be it through choice or circumstance and like you say it's pretty irrelevant to my friendships.

It feels like as women we are constantly judged be it for not having kids, not having enough kids, having too many kids, not raising them right etc etc etc for and its boring, unhelpful and pointless.