Wade/Roe decision, will you be joining the 'Red' protest ?

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Lots on SM about showing solidarity with all women who have had their right to end a pregnancy, for any reason, taken away. Many countries planning to 'Buy nothing, do nothing' and turn all SM 'red' for 3 days etc

I honestly think that if all women round the world actually did this,( i.e no housework/shopping/cooking/laundry/work/childcare etc), then the shock to the governments could really be profound ?

What if all women decided that we'd no longer be willing to accept any male decisions ? e.g abiding by a 'do not resuscitate' order decision made by a man ?

Interested to hear others point of view on this.

DNR orders ime are usually a team decision and discussed with families etc, it's what's in the patients best interests regardless of whether it's a male or female Dr who is ultimately responsible.

I don't think us neglecting our homes and children in the UK for 3 days will make a difference to US abortion law.

If anything, they'll use it as an argument for why we're too irresponsible to make our own choices.

The face of privilege. We here in the UKcan do that and fuck all will happen to us.

I'm interested in how this not respecting DNR order thing would work?
So it's been decided that it would not be in the patients best interests to attempt the brutal process of rescitation, because they are unlikely to recover anyway and it would add nothing to their quality of life for example ,but because its ultimately a male Dr decisions, medical and nursing staff should just ignore the order and put the dying patient through a brutal experience just to prove a point🤔
You think this will help the women of America?

The Global Women's Strike movements have been in existence for nearly fifty years - campaigning for wages for housework - and care work etc.

It seems a highly appropriate moment in time to join/revive this moment in my book. Given that women globally are having to 'mop up' with rising costs of child care etc. work harder for no extra pay...or none at all.

Link to Global Women's Strike movement follows:

globalwomenstrike.net/joinourcampaigns/

I agree with a previous poster who said that neglecting our own houses would only negatively impact ourselves.

But I would be happy to do-nothing/buy-nothing outside the home as part of an organised effort.

I don't think any government is going to give a flying f**k what colour we change our sm to tbh.

Starter and Boris might pick up on it as an election gimmick but that's it.

God know what it would actually take to shock Boris but a daube of red on Fb and Twitter profiles ain't gonna do it.

What does it mean when you say 'turn social media red' OP. I don't do FB and there are no men in our household that I would be in danger of obeying! (Thank goodness!)

Well not turning up for work for 3 days would in most places get you into a disciplinary....

Or the sack instantly if you've been there less than two years

You’re not going to impact abortion provision in America by not cleaning or going to work in the UK. Women in the UK do not have equal access to abortion and I don’t see the protests. amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/22/abortion-hierarchy-uk-lack-of-services-scotland-northern-ireland-england-terminate-pregnancy

This.

Maybe people ought to understand how they work.

This is a bit like the no makeup selfie for cancer awareness, bollocks that did the rounds on Facebook a few years ago ,people giving themselves a pat in the back but not actually doing anything.

Other 'red' protests have had considerable impacts...www.dailymotion.com/video/x38woqq

I’m fucking delighted though to learn that my sisters in Afghanistan will finally be free of male oppression. The UN couldn’t do shit in 20 years, but if I change my fb profile and leave the washing up for a few days they’ll be grand.

I'm not sure how me not cleaning my house is going to bother Boris Johnson, never mind American politicians. But I'm always happy to slope off. 🙂 For the sisterhood.

However, my husband cares for his parents and him not making decisions on his parents welfare would be catastrophic for them. And I think that is a ridiculous and cruel suggestion. Seriously, just think through these ideas before suggesting them.

I meant if the patient was male, and had consented or asked for a DNR, and the hospital nurses etc were female and just unilaterally 'decided' that they did not agree with the DNR.

All I really mean is what if women decided that because they disagreed with a man's decision, they would not carry out his wishes concerning his own body ?

I'm probably not explaining myself very well, sorry.

Yeah it doesn't work that way and I imagine the nurses would be disciplined.

@MarshaMelrose

Is it really that different from American medical staff not being allowed to terminate an ectopic pregnancy that will kill the woman ?

Everything that starts in USA rears it's head in the UK a few years later (e.g the litigious society is definitely present in the UK now, but just a few years ago no-one would have dreamt of 'suing' someone for an accident etc, it just wasn't 'done' in the UK generally)

I'm not suggesting that medical staff neglect their patients, simply wanting to hear other points of view about whether an action/inaction of women as a whole could affect the negative direction womens rights are headed ?

And how would disrespecting a random Man’s wish for bodily autonomy change things in America?

persoanlly every man I have spoken to is disgusted by the decision of the 6 individuals so why should they be punished for something they have no control over

I get that Boris wouldn't care if you did not clean your home, but your partners, husbands and children would be made aware of what happens when 'women' withdraw their labour ?

If no women bought anything for 3 days, there would surely be a noticeable 'dip' in the financials of all business owners, making them aware of how strongly their 'customers' felt about the erosion of womens rights ?

What I think the whole 'Red' days are suggesting is that 'women' can make their thoughts 'known' to those in power simply by withdrawing their money and labour for 3 days ?

I understand that not everyone would be in a position to do this without suffering themselves, but if this isn't an 'important' enough subject to at least spark some serious talking, and not the snide 'you're stupid' type responses, then aren't we all doomed to watch a steady decline in our daughters 'rights' back to where they were 100 years ago ?

No. Its utterly pointless. If it was possible that this kind of bllocks had any impact on women's oppression over seas I would suggest Afghanistan as the first target.

I do not agree with the decision on Roe v Wade, although the legal decision is far more complex than banning abortion. Roe v Wade was a poorly placed sticking plaster, and not the dream solution or liberation some people seem to think it was.

But that aside, suggesting that medical staff should ignore a DNR is cruel and callous. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Ill thought out plan. No one can expect to just not turn up for work for 3 days and not expect serious consequences.

As for the DNR suggestion. Words fail me.

Sorry I can't get past deliberately ignoring someone's wishes at the end of their life.

What the Supreme Court in the US is abysmal and it's impact on women appalling.

BUT I won't be changing my professional standards or treating my patients with any less compassion or dignity for some daft social media influencer to get clicks. Fuck what a stupid crass idea.