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AIBU as the mother of mixed race children to be furious that Giles Coren’s article in The Times included the phrase “fuzzy-wuzzies”?

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unitedcolorsofbattersea · 02/07/2022 18:35

Why did The Times even allow this to be published? I can remember when I heard this derogatory term being used as a racist insult in the playground during the late 80s. It makes me want to weep. I know Giles Coren has form where racism is concerned but FFS 🤦🏼‍♀️, it’s 2022, not 1922. This is not funny, arch satire and could have horrific consequences. He may as well have used the n word and no doubt people like him do in private company. I really fear for my young children and what they might be subjected to if this is acceptable in print.

(This is my first time posting here on Mumsnet so please be gentle! I know this issue is being discussed a lot of Twitter though and several anti-racism campaigners have commented.) Here is a link to the full article, which is behind a paywall: www.thetimes.co.uk/article/call-yourself-british-ill-be-the-judge-of-that-dwl3qp53w

AIBU as the mother of mixed race children to be furious that Giles Coren’s article in The Times included the phrase “fuzzy-wuzzies”?
OP posts:
hatchyu · 02/07/2022 19:00

Or that😆

Getoff · 02/07/2022 19:01

I think it's misleading to say he is using the phrase, he's offering people an opportunity to identify with the phrase in a questionnaire. OK, maybe you don't think he should have written it there either, but the OP accusation is far worse than what he actually did.

saltwaterandsuncream · 02/07/2022 19:02

He is a real piece of shit, that bloke.

picklemewalnuts · 02/07/2022 19:02

TooBigForMyBoots · 02/07/2022 18:59

Can an actual racist lampoon racism by using extremely racist language though?

Well, no. It's awful.
I can imagine how he'd defend it, I think was my meaning. With the Dad's Army reference a pp has given and 'it was deliberately stylistic racism for effect' type thing.
I can imagine he'd say that, but he'd be wrong. It's not acceptable and it should have been obvious to him. The fact that it wasn't is, you know, telling.

Skodacool · 02/07/2022 19:04

KeyErro · 02/07/2022 18:41

I read that as though he is pillorying racist attitudes from colonial times, but I think it is crass, completely unnecessary and agree that it is offensive.

I read it that way too. At the very least he should have put the phrase in quotes to show how the empire builders regarded indigenous populations.

Changechangychange · 02/07/2022 19:04

KittenKong · 02/07/2022 18:43

Jeeeeezzzzz. So this wasn’t written in 1972 or straight out of Viz? Didn’t he also write a nasty bit about his kid being fat?

And a separate one about how sexy his reception-age daughter is Envy

His wife has also written columns saying she only married him for his money.

I suspect neither column is remotely true and they both pull stunts like this for attention. He got where he is because of his dad, and he (and his wife) remains a columnist because he is happy to write shit like this that brings in page clicks. He is basically Boris 2.0.

The Times will publish this, Rod Liddle, and Jeremy Clarkson, because it causes outrage and gets people talking about it. Best to just ignore it/not click on links/cancel your subscription.

Changechangychange · 02/07/2022 19:06

unitedcolorsofbattersea · 02/07/2022 19:00

On Twitter someone described him as a pound shop Lawrence Fox.

I think Boris is closer, because he is so needy with it.

Retrievemysanity · 02/07/2022 19:07

I never read his stuff anymore. I’m sure he’s lost the plot as I don’t remember him writing drivel before; I used to quite like him. Even his restaurant reviews are just tedious now.

BlusteryLake · 02/07/2022 19:08

Giles Coren is a talentless, attention seeking bellend who lives in the shadow of his much more popular family and in-laws. Anything he writes is best ignored.

Navigatingnewwaters · 02/07/2022 19:09

Changechangychange · 02/07/2022 19:04

And a separate one about how sexy his reception-age daughter is Envy

His wife has also written columns saying she only married him for his money.

I suspect neither column is remotely true and they both pull stunts like this for attention. He got where he is because of his dad, and he (and his wife) remains a columnist because he is happy to write shit like this that brings in page clicks. He is basically Boris 2.0.

The Times will publish this, Rod Liddle, and Jeremy Clarkson, because it causes outrage and gets people talking about it. Best to just ignore it/not click on links/cancel your subscription.

He said his daughter was sexy??

theyhavenothingbuttheaudacity · 02/07/2022 19:10

Dawn Foster was a journalist . She was herself disabled and an advocate for womens/ disabled rights.
After she passed away Giles the cunt tweeted a not so veiled bile filled tweet saying hopefully she went to hell

SausageAndCash · 02/07/2022 19:10

Can’t bear him generally, but as far as I can see from your attached photo of the text, he is projecting the sort of racist colonialist attitude of a person who would have thought the empire was a good thing. So, satire. He is using the term, but in the voice of a ‘character’.

If the article as a whole is a critical look at colonialism then I am not offended by him mocking those who perpetrated it and pointing out how racist the whole premise was.

saraclara · 02/07/2022 19:10

I read that as though he is pillorying racist attitudes from colonial times,

That. But without any other context, explanation (or even, as a pp said, quotation marks around the phrase) using it was stupid and clearly offensive.

amoosee · 02/07/2022 19:12

RedWingBoots · 02/07/2022 18:48

As your link is behind a pay wall and I'm not paying to read it I can't comment on the full article's intent.

The full article:

Call yourself British? I’ll be the judge of that
Racism and nostalgia for empire aren’t the only things that define our identity. We also have korma, Quidditch and clown princes
Giles Coren
Friday July 01 2022, 9.00pm BST, The Times
The “Life in the UK” test for foreign nationals hoping to become UK citizens needs to be overhauled, according to a review by the House of Lords’ justice and home affairs committee, because it describes the evil British Empire as having once been thought of as “a force for good in the world” and thus alienates Johnny Foreigner, who, as we know, doesn’t like it up him.
Further travesties within the test, which is apparently causing examinees to “have less respect for the UK”, include asking candidates to guess at the appropriate action to take after spilling beer on someone in a pub (which I accept is confusing because surely it depends on whether or not he was looking at your bird) and being “a random selection of obscure facts and assertions”.
Now I’d have said that “a random selection of obscure facts and assertions” is a pretty fair description of every British conversation, exam answer, popular history book and newspaper article I have encountered in my 52 years of being, through no fault of my own, British. But the committee’s chairwoman, the Lib Dem peer Baroness Hamwee, is furious about it and this week declared that “the UK today is about more than stereotypes such as roast beef and pantomimes”. Oh yes she did.
Her ladyship has thus, of course, demanded that the test be transformed urgently. And I, of course, have obliged.
Please read the questions carefully and mark your preferred answer with the green pen you always keep with you when reading the paper, so you can write a letter telling me to grow up, Bernard Levin never did things like this. Use both sides of the paper. Raise your hand if you need a wee. You may begin.
The British Empire:
A. Brought laws, language, trains, cricket, proper clothes and a sense of decency to the fuzzy-wuzzies.
B. Seemed like a good idea at the time.
C. Was worse than the Nazis.
The British media are:
A. Dominated by a handful of woke babies bent on communist revolution.
B. Flawed but still among the freest in the world and really quite entertaining sometimes.
C. Racist.
1066 was:
A. The year our glorious history of world domination began.
B. One of many occasions when mass migration strengthened our culture and sense of national identity.
C. In the olden days, and thus racist.
Emma Raducanu is:
A. Hot foreign totty.
B. A shining example of modern, multi-ethnic, confident, equal Britain.
C. The super-rich beneficiary of an elitist pastime built on slavery and complicit in the racist subjugation of minorities.
The British national dish is:
A. Roast beef.
B. Chicken korma.
C. A racist chimera that fuses the ideals of far-right nationalist extremism with a failure to respect the intersectional crisis at the heart of the world’s food supply.
Penalty shoot-outs are:
A. Always won by the filthy cheating Boche.
B. An unsatisfactory but at least quite quick way to settle a drawn football match.
C. Racist.
Prince Andrew is:
A. An embarrassing clown.
B. A sad clown.
C. A racist clown.
Britain’s national sport is
A. Cricket.
B. Quidditch.
C. Racist.
The British education system is:
A. Obsessed with sex and gender issues at the expense of proper subjects like Latin and Greek.
B. Good overall but unfairly weighted in favour of the middle classes.
C. Racist.
Cannabis laws in the UK are:
A. Feeble. It is a very dangerous drug and a gateway to even worse ones; users should be incarcerated and dealers flogged.
B. Out of date. The odd puff won’t do you any harm every now and again, like at Glasto, for example.
C. Racist.
Horatio Nelson was:
A. A national hero although unfortunately a bugger.
B. One-eyed Admiral of the Fleet and captain of HMS Victory at Trafalgar.
C. A slave trader, probably a transphobe, definitely a Blairite. Oh, and racist.
The prime minister is:
A. Boris.
B. Johnson.
C. Raci . . . look, why are you even asking me?
Mostly As, Bs or Cs? Welcome to Britain, you’ll fit in beautifully.
Whole new ball game
With the second-round exits of Andy Murray and Raducanu from Wimbledon sending us all back to that warm, comfy place of annual tennis failure, perhaps it is time to refocus our national sporting ambitions on padel, the tennis-squash hybrid that was feted in The Times last week as the hot new sport for all.
Celebrity fans include David Beckham, Lionel Messi and Rafa Nadal and 89,000 in Britain play regularly, according to the Lawn Tennis Association. That is a little way down on the five million in Spain, where it has usurped tennis in popularity and stands second only to football as the nation’s biggest participation sport, but with 125 courts having been built here since 2019 and two under construction at Queen’s Club, it must surely be the next big opportunity for court-based national heartbreak.
I have started playing padel myself, attracted by the slower balls, smaller courts, which mean less cardiovascular stress for the older player and especially the four walls which mean you don’t spend half your game running around picking up balls. It is also a bonus that the game’s stumpy little fibreglass bats do not require anything like the natural talent or drilled-in skill to wield competently that a tennis racket does. And best of all, because the game evolved in Spain, the top players are all hairy little fat blokes.
I am getting pretty damned good at it, I don’t mind telling you, and am considering going full-time, if not professional. The only problem is one of image. Those little paddles do bear an embarrassing resemblance to Swingball bats and indeed a crueller man than I might describe padel as “swingball without the pole”.
But it was my sport-averse wife who really took the spring out of my step the other day, as I headed off with my special padel shoes and stunted little padel bat carrier (like a tennis bag that’s shrunk in the wash), when she glanced up from her newspaper, looked me up and down and said: “Dork tennis again, dear?”

ChandlersDad · 02/07/2022 19:13

Navigatingnewwaters · 02/07/2022 19:09

He said his daughter was sexy??

Yeah, something vile about how his holiday with her was ‘the sexiest holiday ever’

RedWingBoots · 02/07/2022 19:13

OP without a shared token all you have achieved is people trying to read the art

MsTSwift · 02/07/2022 19:14

I thought he had died?! Must be mixing him
up with someone else

RedWingBoots · 02/07/2022 19:15

FFS

OP without a shared token all you have achieved is people trying to read the article and given it a better advert.

Next time you find an offensive article don't start a thread unless another media outlet or Twitter thread has mentioned it.

CredibilityProblem · 02/07/2022 19:16

I can see what he was attempting, and why he thought it was OK: both A and C are meant to be stereotypical extremes, but yeah he's wrong and it's not OK.

ChandlersDad · 02/07/2022 19:17

Oh and the one where he goes no about his morbidly obese four year old son

C8H10N4O2 · 02/07/2022 19:23

RedWingBoots · 02/07/2022 19:15

FFS

OP without a shared token all you have achieved is people trying to read the article and given it a better advert.

Next time you find an offensive article don't start a thread unless another media outlet or Twitter thread has mentioned it.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/1060c1a2-f96b-11ec-84c1-32e852e780b0?shareToken=e56f2f80c01eaa9b49c6c04ba583078b

I rarely read his articles - I find him regularly sexist and racist but in that snide way which both appeals to his particular fan club whilst allowing him to do the "oh gosh was that racist" routine.

In general I agree with the view that he is a mediocre hack who without the Coren name would be serving chips in papers rather than writing for them.

Hurstlandshome · 02/07/2022 19:32

He says some awful things under the protection of 'satire'. Cannot stand the man.

SerendipityJane · 02/07/2022 19:36

I stopped believing in magic words long before realised the tooth fairy was really Father Christmas.

user1471504747 · 02/07/2022 19:44

Christ who the hell thought it was a good idea to publish that Confused

KentishTowner · 02/07/2022 19:45

To OP who didn’t know who Dawn Foster, the young journalist whose death Giles Coren mocked, was, there have been multiple MN threads on this very topic.

on a side note I wonder if the general consensus that Giles Coren is a wrong un and a racist is the reason he doesn’t seem to ever be on TV any more. He used to be on big series like Supersizers and Amazing Hotels, but I can’t recall him presenting anything recently at all.