Are the tories trying to lose the next GE?

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It seems there is a new scandal every day at the moment which is interesting as the tories are typically very very good at calling up their pals in the media and managing the news cycle.

Can they see how disastrous the next decade is going to be for the UK so are actively trying to lose the next GE or snap GE so they can watch and wait while labour have to pick up the pieces, get blamed for the mess then people swing back to the tories saying labour have been a disaster?

They are either very smart or genuinely as bad as they look and I cant decide which.

They are just that incompetent.

I mean, look at who is in cabinet. Raab/Dories/Gove/Johnson etc. These people are fucking idiots, they don't have the brainpower to be manipulative and underhand.

I don't think they care

I think they are bewildered and amused why everyone is up in arms about these scandals. To them, it's just normal behaviour.

Watch porn in the HoC - wellllll, it can be boring and you need something to do.
Get drunk and grope (sexually assualt) female and male colleagues - it's just bantz, isn't it!
Give your friends government contracts and public money - he's my mate, that's what friends do.

Not as hard as Labour seem to be.

I think it's very funny. Now we have an MP, who most people have never heard of, apologising for getting drunk and groping another chap. I can't wait for the next scandal.

They're confident in the attitude some people have that they are "better" than the opposition and the party to have in power when the economy is bad. I don't even know if they'll necessarily lose the next one.

I agree with PP that they are just that incompetent.

They'll probably still win the next election because the cohort that goes out and votes the most is the generation that has done just fine under successive Tory governments and are in denial that anything harder for subsequent generations isn't just the fault of those generations for not being hardworking/money-savvy enough.

It should be ridiculously easy for Labour to campaign at the next GE. 12 years of Tories in power and the state of the economy is in shatters.

Starmer needs to just answer every question with ‘look at what 12 years of Tory power has done’.

They'll blame the pandemic and Ukraine war though. And so will defensive Tory voters.

I'd heard of him. He was the "pound shop Harvey Weinstein" who was accused of aggressive and unwanted advances to another colleague, but was found not to have done anything wrong and reappointed to the Whips. Johnson wanted to make him Chief Whip but there was a private revolt by MPs who knew full well he was a wrongun, and he was left as "only" deputy chief whip with huge power to regulate the behaviour of other MPs.

I think that's the point you're missing OP. "The Tory Party" is several different things: fee paying members, mostly old and reactionary; local associations trying to get local MPs elected; Johnson and his cronies at the head of government; and finally all the rank and file MPs. The latter bunch definitely don't want to lose the next election because for a lot of them that means losing their jobs.

No they appear to have many sociopaths in their ranks these days since Boris purged the reasonable Tories over Brexit. This crew are like the UK version of the US tea party conservatives.

The problem is, labour aren't trying to win either! I think they have actively wanted to stay out of power since brexit started and covid followed.

Agree with this. I'm in a staunchly Tory town. At every election the turn out is pretty much full of over 50s. They're obviously the ones doing well so they continue to vote Tory. It feels like the younger generation know they're royally screwed and just don't feel it's worth even turning up to try and change things.

Lol the next general election would be a good one NOT to win.😉

It's a toxic mix of incompetence and arrogance. And the majority of their voter base are of a generation who have done well, credit the Tory leadership, will defend the party to the teeth and also don't have a young family or dependents nor are they still working as employees anywhere.

The taxpayer pay the wages of these immoral chancers. Truly sickening.

Why did he resign? Conservative voters don't give a shit about abusers, pervs, liars and lawbreakers in government as long as they're Tory.

They'll probably still win the next election because the cohort that goes out and votes the most is the generation that has done just fine under successive Tory governments and are in denial that anything harder for subsequent generations isn't just the fault of those generations for not being hardworking/money-savvy enough.

Unfortunately I think this is the case

Because he's so bad, even Tory MPs can't stand him. Al Johnson wanted to make him chief whip, but they revolted.

According to a tweet from the i, his nickname is "Arse" Pincher as he's got substantially more form for this. Al is refusing to take the whip away - it's as if he wants to be ousted.

I think you’re on the money with this, winning the next election will be like drinking from a poison chalice. To mix metaphors, the pigeons will be coming home to roost. all the previous 12 years of mismanagement will be become so apparent and the next government will have to go through some tough times to sort it out, they’ll take the blame and then get voted out. Rishi Sunnaks open purse will also have to be paid back as well.

No they just think they're the court of Charles II or something and lots of jolly sexual assault and misbehaviour is something they're entitled to do.

They've mainly got no morals + were raised in boarding schools and other settings where IME young people get into sex and drugs v early and then mummy and daddy pay for the rehab/STD treatment/court fees that result and they get away with it every time.

Most of them secretly think that they think the great unwashed (us) have absolutely no business knowing/having a view on their behaviour and probably think that us objecting to them e.g. watching porn or getting a blow job at work on our time is bourgeois and small minded.

Who They Are and What They Decide For Us should be sufficient for us to know.

sorry fury made me add some unnecessary words to that last para

If they think that they will lose in 2024, a few months beforehand they will ditch Mr Johnson, most of the cabinet, and there will be enough people scared of Labour or a Labour/SNP arrangement that the Tories could get in again.

The few MPs outside the cabinet with scandal will just stand down at the next election.

Blair has said this week that if Stamer supports the summer of discontent (strikes) Labour will not win the next general election. Labour has to win in England this time as it has lost Scotland probably forever so it will be an interesting next election.

I read yesterday in the Guardian ( but it was only a comment ) that Boris Johnson wants a deal with the Green Party ! I was a bit astonished at first , but it's often said that his wife is pushing a lot of these green agendas so maybe not such a bat shit idea or thought really. Might be news to the Greens though
I don't believe that Sir Kier starmer wants the to be PM either , who would though ?
Lots coming down the line that are truly awful , climate change, oil running out , the war in Ukraine , food shortages, cost of living crisis , society becoming ever more fractured and messed up , people divided over every little thing. It is shit , who wants all that to deal with and be held accountable for ?

All our current politicians are a shower of shit, Boris or Starmer? What on earth is going on when they are the best on offer?