Are the tories trying to lose the next GE?

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It seems there is a new scandal every day at the moment which is interesting as the tories are typically very very good at calling up their pals in the media and managing the news cycle.

Can they see how disastrous the next decade is going to be for the UK so are actively trying to lose the next GE or snap GE so they can watch and wait while labour have to pick up the pieces, get blamed for the mess then people swing back to the tories saying labour have been a disaster?

They are either very smart or genuinely as bad as they look and I cant decide which.

Quite

Whoever is in charge over next 5-10 years is going to be vilified.

It's a cycle isn't it? Crash the economy, 'let' Labour come in to sort it all out, once economy is functioning again leap in to deplore the tax situation and public money being spent on Save the Lesbian Single Mother Whales campaigns, get re-elected, dig snout back into trough.

Bad luck for Boris this time around- if he hadn't called the election in 2019 he'd be perfectly placed to drop the entire shitshow in someone else's lap.

The current PM had no choice but to call a general election in 20 19 as he hadn't a mandate to do much before this, Brexit had to be 'sorted out ' etc etc.
Would have been interesting if they had left till after Christmas then covid hitting because we would still have had a ' caretaker' PM. That would have been difficult too, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Is what it is.

No, they are just massively incompetent, dishonest and selfish.

Hadn't realised that some of us lump 'Lesbian Single Mothers' with 'Wales' in the same campaign...

Guess with comfort eating during the pandemic I might have some similarities with a whale, bless them - though I hadn't thought of it like that ...🙁

Typo sorry that meant to read 'Whales' and not 'Wales'

...though that would also be an interesting campaign...

'Save Lesbian Single Mothers in Wales'...

I'd be all for it personally!

You could stick a blue rosette on a potato where I live and it would still get elected.

There are a lot of people who just won't vote labour and consider Lib Dems a wasted vote.

Labour has not won since 2005 so that is quite a long run though for the usual "swing of the pendulum" not to have applied. I think it was the same before Blair - Labour did not win for ages. Unless Stamer can become Blair plus win in England Labour will probably stay out of power which is fine by me.

I think they're deliberately leaving Boris in situ so that they can bring in a shiny new leader with no baggage, closer to the actual vote.

I do think what's gone wrong over the last 40 years if Johnson and Starmer are the best either side can offer.

We need an effective opposition party regardless of who is in power at the time - they need someone to keep an eye on them.

As for the Tories, they are on self-destruct as usual. Sleaze is par for the course, and Johnson's actions show that he has absolutely no plans to take a firmer grip on the Tory Party or running it, so no lessons learned from Partygate at all. I hope all the MP's that voted for him to remain leader (my own MP didn't) are comfortable with their actions. Johnson is utterly useless, he seems to be on a mission to make them as unelectable as possible - he's achieved his ambition to be PM so doesn't give a fuck about everyone else.

Sadly, England is a majority Tory supporting nation (47.2% of English vote share in 2019). They’ve been returned time and time again. They expect the same to continue.

My very working class home area of Northern England is a Tory constituency. Tory MP is shite - yet he’s returned at the elections.

I expect some swing to the Lib Dems and Labour at the next election in England but I doubt it’s enough to overturn a Tory majority.

MT and divide and rule have done a number in England, Yorkshire and the NE choosing racism and xenophobia over their own interests. I wish I could say it’s changed but my home town has only got worse.

In my home area there are many that vote Tory despite being completely fucked over by them - but they want to consider themselves above their neighbours and colleagues. The sickness of individualism.

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England is so right wing that I don’t think Labour would appeal unless in a pale blue format (similar to Blair). Scotland (where I now live) is somewhat alienated and so culturally different. Wales seemed to have pockets similar to Yorkshire and NE - racism and xenophobia the first priority. NI shouldn’t even be a part of the UK so I don’t count that. I don’t envisage a non Tory government in Westminster in my life time, and also think I will see the death of the NHS.

However I do think the next white, posh Tory will be giving BJ the boot some time soon - and so the cycle will continue

It does remind me of the Tory government of sleaze in the 90s. Trouble is that people seem much less disapproving now than they did back then. It just seems to be accepted that politicians are terrible people who lie and do scandalous things that ordinary people would never get away with in their jobs. The fact that the Prime Minister himself does awful things, gives a half apology and brushes it off with feeble "lessons will be learned" speeches then just carries on. The more he gets away with it, the longer he will carry on doing as he pleases. With someone like that at the helm, it's harder to call out other politicians who act badly.

They're not waiting for the next GE, they're doing it seat by seat. By-election by By-election.🤣🤣🤣

If only the Conservative party weren't full of inappropriate, abusive, corrupt, criminal men members. Neil Hannon was right:
Generation Sex elects the type of guys you wouldn't leave your kids with.🤷‍♀️

We have a PM who has lied to Parliament, yet is still supported by the majority of Tory MP's. They seenJohnson as the best they have got! What does that say about the rest of them?
The PM considered 'the matter closed' when Pincher sexually assaulted 2 men - because he was drunk and gave up the Whip. Unbelievable - sexual assault and using drunkenness as an excuse. The PM's moral compass is non existent!

Tories seem to be indulging in one long drinking festival.

I think labour are trying to win the next election. But their strategy is, in my view, horrendous. Their strategy is to win over disenchantment Tories and the old red wall. They do this by being anti union, pro austerity and to bring out a few union jacks to win back the red wall. Starmer has dropped every one of his pledges. Their strategy is to ruthlessly purge as many left of centre labour members. There's nothing in this party to enthuse anybody young or to the left.

Their calculation is: who else are the left going to vote for? The left are going to hate the Tories the most, will be most keen to vote them out. As that vote is in the bag, screw them. Drape starmer on the flag, get him to condemn the strikes, reprimand any labour member who looks like they support the strikes and voila! Cameron/Osborne MK2.

And if you dare complain, or beg for something, just one or two little things for us to enthuse about, some positive reason to vote for them, something that the daily mail might actually not endorse, then get prepared to be lectured at about your naivety - "we're not the enemy, Boris BJ Johnson is, put on your big pants, hold your nose and vote for us. Be the grown up." This from the wing of the party that did everything in its power to undermine the last labour leader, actively undermining him at every turn.

I really want the Tories out - but I also don't want a future where the only main parties are different flavours of Tory.

@yossell the Government tends to be in the middle & right more often than left.

The public showed what it thought of a more left wing alternative at the last catastrophic GA! We now have to endure this shower of shit & the longer they are in the more damage they do. We need an alternative that is acceptable to enough of the population (middle of the road) that it can oust the Tories.