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Mumsnet not paying staff disgusting

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stepuporshutup · 01/07/2022 10:26

Just read that mumsnet do not pay their night staff.
This cannot be true can it mumsnet?
If it is true then what is going on at mnhq
Aibu to be shocked by this
Or do fellow mumsnetters think it is ok to work for free
If the story is true

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stepuporshutup · 01/07/2022 14:41

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justasking111 · 01/07/2022 14:44

I've volunteered on a big forum, at a hospice, a blind charity. Done years on PTAs As a nation pre covid we're pretty amazing volunteering wise.

Since covid it's been harder to recruit folks

nevergoesaway · 01/07/2022 14:44

Anonymous48 · 01/07/2022 14:38

I volunteer for several nonprofit organizations in my community. They do have paid staff, but they wouldn't be able to provide the services they do without unpaid volunteers. I have also in the past volunteered for profit making businesses because it's something I've wanted to be a part of but haven't wanted an actual job. Sometimes even for profit businesses need willing volunteers or they would have to raise their prices and couldn't cover their costs.

Yes that’s true, some for profit organisations wouldn’t be able to run if their volunteers weren’t willing to give up their time, fair enough. Maybe that’s the case here then too.

lightisnotwhite · 01/07/2022 14:46

SheepingStandingUp · 01/07/2022 10:35

It's true op. The Samaritans don't pay their their staff in the phones either. Not even when I work until 2 am or overnight. It's a travesty. All these volunteers, volunteering voluntarily. It should be banned.

But altruism is a different to managing a site that makes money.

antelopevalley · 01/07/2022 14:46

Should a profit business run if it can not afford to pay staff?

I do think there is a difference with things like a dance school where you pay for lessons, but without volunteers, shows would not happen.

EineKleineNachtwatcher · 01/07/2022 14:51

Ohthatsexciting · 01/07/2022 14:39

@EineKleineNachtwatcher and @NiteWotcha

i am so interested to know your situation in terms of…. Husband? Children? Work?

Sorry but I'm not prepared to answer that and I've no idea about the other NWers

NiteWotcha · 01/07/2022 14:55

Ohthatsexciting · 01/07/2022 14:39

@EineKleineNachtwatcher and @NiteWotcha

i am so interested to know your situation in terms of…. Husband? Children? Work?

My allegiance is to the NightWatch…

“Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come”

<taps nose>
<adjusts cape>

ReeseWitherfork · 01/07/2022 14:58

antelopevalley · 01/07/2022 14:46

Should a profit business run if it can not afford to pay staff?

I do think there is a difference with things like a dance school where you pay for lessons, but without volunteers, shows would not happen.

Clearly not! You’ve answered your own question. They want volunteers, they’ve got the volunteers. The volunteers are happy, the people who use the site overnight are happy. So why would they close the forums overnight? Or close down mumsnet altogether?

Anonymous48 · 01/07/2022 14:58

antelopevalley · 01/07/2022 14:46

Should a profit business run if it can not afford to pay staff?

I do think there is a difference with things like a dance school where you pay for lessons, but without volunteers, shows would not happen.

That's exactly the type of for profit business I'm talking about.

I have also volunteered at a sporting event, the owners of whom presumably make a profit, but I was happy to do so because it meant I got to be part of it. I wouldn't have wanted to be paid for it, because a job comes with all sorts of different expectations than a volunteer role.

But let's say that the volunteers all got paid. The events expenses would go through the roof. Ticket prices would have to be increased so that fewer people would be able to attend, and that would be a best case scenario. The organizers might decide that it's not worth running the event at all.

antelopevalley · 01/07/2022 15:05

@anon Glastonbury does now pay the clean-up crew who used to be volunteers. They only provide links to charities running stalls and similar at Glastonbury where people can volunteer.
Download you can get free tickets for volunteering. It works out above minimum wage, but is cheaper for the organisers than paying people. Although I have seen loads of complaints about the poor standard of volunteer security. Volunteers can be skilled and brilliant, but someone just doing it for a free festival ticket is not necessarily going to be motivated to do a good job.

nevergoesaway · 01/07/2022 15:06

NiteWotcha · 01/07/2022 14:55

My allegiance is to the NightWatch…

“Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come”

<taps nose>
<adjusts cape>

Do you have to take that pledge when you sign up? Love how elaborate it is!!

Ohthatsexciting · 01/07/2022 15:09

EineKleineNachtwatcher · 01/07/2022 14:51

Sorry but I'm not prepared to answer that and I've no idea about the other NWers

It’s more the fact that I’m baffled that anyone with children, job etc would have the time and inclination to be up all night on mumsnet policing it.

Perhaps they are all retiree night owls!

Anothernamechangeplease · 01/07/2022 15:09

It's an interesting ethical question as to whether a profit-making business should be allowed to use willing volunteers as part of its business model.

Yes, you can argue that, if there is a job to be done, then it should be a paid role because this helps to create employment for someone who needs a job.

However, employing night moderators would take away the option of doing it on a voluntary basis for the volunteers who are currently choosing to spend their time doing this work, presumably because they feel that they get something out of it. Many of them might not want to do it on a paid basis, so it would seem a shame to take that opportunity away from them.

On balance, I feel that MN uses volunteers instead of paid staff simply because it can, and I don't really see anything wrong with that, as long as the volunteers are free to do as much or as little as they like, and as long as there is transparency about the fact that MN is a profit making business, which it is. Arguably, we are all volunteers contributing to MN's profits, because we are all voluntarily producing content for the site, and it is the content that ultimately keeps them in business. Should all of us be paid to write for MN?

nevergoesaway · 01/07/2022 15:12

Anothernamechangeplease · 01/07/2022 15:09

It's an interesting ethical question as to whether a profit-making business should be allowed to use willing volunteers as part of its business model.

Yes, you can argue that, if there is a job to be done, then it should be a paid role because this helps to create employment for someone who needs a job.

However, employing night moderators would take away the option of doing it on a voluntary basis for the volunteers who are currently choosing to spend their time doing this work, presumably because they feel that they get something out of it. Many of them might not want to do it on a paid basis, so it would seem a shame to take that opportunity away from them.

On balance, I feel that MN uses volunteers instead of paid staff simply because it can, and I don't really see anything wrong with that, as long as the volunteers are free to do as much or as little as they like, and as long as there is transparency about the fact that MN is a profit making business, which it is. Arguably, we are all volunteers contributing to MN's profits, because we are all voluntarily producing content for the site, and it is the content that ultimately keeps them in business. Should all of us be paid to write for MN?

Love this post, really well said. It’s definitely an interesting ethical question and I’m grateful we’ve been able to discuss it.

After reading all the posts on here and hearing from the night staff, on balance I agree with you that it seems fair.

amblemay · 01/07/2022 15:13

Do you have to take that pledge when you sign up? Love how elaborate it is!!

🤣

Anothernamechangeplease · 01/07/2022 15:13

Ohthatsexciting · 01/07/2022 15:09

It’s more the fact that I’m baffled that anyone with children, job etc would have the time and inclination to be up all night on mumsnet policing it.

Perhaps they are all retiree night owls!

People have such different circumstances. I have dc and a very demanding full time job but I still choose to volunteer my time. People will have their reasons for doing what they do. Some might be in different time zones. Some might be up breastfeeding young children. Some might do nightshifts in relatively quiet jobs that allow them to go on MN. Some might be up in pain and welcome the distraction.

ReeseWitherfork · 01/07/2022 15:14

If we were all paid contributors then I might be out of a job with some of the tripe I come out with.

(And I don’t think I’d be alone!)

Anothernamechangeplease · 01/07/2022 15:17

ReeseWitherfork · 01/07/2022 15:14

If we were all paid contributors then I might be out of a job with some of the tripe I come out with.

(And I don’t think I’d be alone!)

Ha! Yes, I think a few of us would get the push pretty quickly!Grin

QueSyrahSyrah · 01/07/2022 15:22

Agree with @Anonymous48. The events I volunteer for each happen once a year and mean the small event company of about 6 full and part time employees suddenly require maybe 100 extra pairs of hands but only for 3 or 4 hours. How they'd manage that on a paid basis I have no idea, and I'm sure if they did it would make the events themselves unsustainable.

nevergoesaway · 01/07/2022 15:32

ReeseWitherfork · 01/07/2022 15:14

If we were all paid contributors then I might be out of a job with some of the tripe I come out with.

(And I don’t think I’d be alone!)

Lol yep can relate! 🙈

EineKleineNachtwatcher · 01/07/2022 15:32

NiteWotcha · 01/07/2022 14:55

My allegiance is to the NightWatch…

“Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come”

<taps nose>
<adjusts cape>

@NiteWotcha said it so much better than I did Grin

NiteWotcha · 01/07/2022 15:38

Me and @EineKleineNachtwatcher discussing which threads to hide one day last winter…

Mumsnet not paying staff disgusting
EineKleineNachtwatcher · 01/07/2022 15:40
Grin
butterpuffed · 01/07/2022 15:41

nevergoesaway · 01/07/2022 14:04

Who has done this on this thread?

Living by the sea, we have plenty of seagulls shitting everywhere . Would it be possible for the night volunteers to hide them please 😉

toomuchlaundry · 01/07/2022 15:44

@Ohthatsexciting I don't think the nightwatch volunteers stay up all night, I am assuming different people are around at different times, so the night is pretty much covered