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AIBU to interfere in this and report it?

36 replies

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 11:40

I've got a dilemma and I'm not sure if I'm too close to this to make a rational judgement call. I also am a SW - although I've never worked in CP apart from uni placements years ago. I also had a childhood where I ended up in care so feel Very strongly about children being left with shit parents. I don't know whether to report or not.

My ex husband has a child with a woman, they weren't together, it was a fling. Ever since they've been in conflict, the child is now 9. He rings me for advice and I did give him advice from a CP colleague last year on how to go about having his son full-time. He didn't take it. The poor boy has quite a few issues with anxiety, he has (without a diagnosis but I am quite experienced in this) attachment difficulties and my ex husband has put a lot of his own anxieties on to him.

His son does, imo, play both parents off of each other. The mum has headbutted my ex on one occasion where his son said some untrue things about my ex. The boy has also made up things that my ex husband automatically believes - things like he didn't get any Christmas presents when he had lots. I think, he makes up things because either he feels sad and doesn't know how to express it, or he gets positive attention from either parent. He's a very confused little boy who has been the competition prize for many years. He's also very bright.

Ex husband is feeling very worried about his son. His son is telling him things that his mum is doing, such as shouting at him, shouting at others in the street and getting so worked up she was hitting herself and screaming, whilst the boy was terrified and crying. Apparently she keeps shouting at their son telling him to live with his dad. Other times she tells their son that his dad doesn't love him and really goes in on him. She is now living with an alcoholic who she hasn't known very long. Their son is having nightmares and won't be alone, ex husband has to follow him to the toilet, stand in the bathroom whilst he showers, he sleeps on a fold out bed in ex husbands bedroom and they go to bed at the same time.

There have been numerous incidents over the years with police and SS involvement, althought they speak to mum and close the case. They've never spoken to ex husband, even when the police have been involved (neighbours rang the police because they were outside arguing and she was trying to drag the boy back in her house and exh was there to pick him up for contact).

I don't think it warrents enough for a CP plan but yet their little boy is damaged by it all. I don't think either of them have helped the situation and I can't really understand why ex husband didn't take advice given last year and now it's just got worse. I do feel like I want to report this, it's not good parenting. Imagine watching your mum going ballistic and hitting herself whilst screaming at someone else? It's damaging. I'm also tempted to ring her and ask if she needs some support because it sounds like she isn't coping very well. Is this worth me getting involved and the shit storm that will insue after?

AIBU to get involved?

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Zerofecksgiven · 29/06/2022 11:43

As someone who was on the receiving end of abuse growing up, yes report it! I wish someone would of stepped in for me and stopped the abuse.

Littlebirdyouaresosweet · 29/06/2022 11:43

Imo you would be an accomplice to failing that boy to keep quiet. Would the df go for full custody? If he doesn't apply to the court to do so he is also failing his ds... If you ring his school and raise your concerns they will contact ss ime..

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 11:47

I feel like I'm being an accomplice right now. It's been drummed into me through work that safeguarding is everyone's legal responsibility. I also didn't get helped out my

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CPL593H · 29/06/2022 11:51

Your ex husband really should be reporting but if he won't, you have to and I would make it clear to him that you are doing so. However, I can't see contacting her and offering support achieving anything good at all.

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 11:52

Pressed post too soon.

  • until I was a teenager. I don't understand why ex husband won't step up. We argued two days ago because he said he's waiting for his son to say he wants to live with him. I was trying to explain that as his parent he has to take that decision off of his son as the guilt that boy would go through would be horrifically damaging.

Why won't he do anything? He says he doesn't think he would win and then he'd lose his son forever. When his sons mum was pregnant she rang the police on him twice and once he accepted a caution - she was trying to throw herself out of his moving van and he says he was grabbing her to keep her in. There was never any DV whilst we were together but I know that doesn't mean that his story is necessarily true. He thinks this will be used against him, she'll get free legal aid because of it and he won't have his son as much as he does now (50/50).

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PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 12:04

Would you report this even knowing that his son makes up quite a few stories and it could stir up more bad feelings between them and further conflict and it could all be lies?

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Mangogogogo · 29/06/2022 12:04

I’m surprised you don’t have a legal responsibility to report this? You could get in big trouble!

i can’t believe someone working in social work is genuinely asking what to do here?! Baffling

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 12:21

Everyone has a legal duty to report abuse @Mangogogogo that's why I'm asking whether I'm too close to this or not to make an informed judgement on what to do. I also know, from my own caseloads in LAC, that incidents like these are reported and no further actioned time and time again before any type of action is undertaken.

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PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 12:23

And I genuinely don't know if he's telling the truth to his dad. He's made up a lot of things, although that in itself is really concerning.

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RedCarsGoFaster · 29/06/2022 12:24

Report yes, but don't make any phone calls to the mother - that's not for you to do.

You know how to make sure a visit happens via SS - use of the appropriate language about the concerns etc. Flag it up with your manager as well as this is a conflict of interest for you.

CPL593H · 29/06/2022 12:27

"I feel like I'm being an accomplice right now." Sorry to sound harsh, but that's because you are, currently.

I would re read your OP and ask yourself how you would advise a client who came to you with these concerns about a child, because from the outside it is really, really clear that you should report.

Micemice · 29/06/2022 12:29

Report report report! Even if “ no action” is taken you’ll be flagging to ss that there is still issues especially of involvemy In the past, these things all build up to paint a picture of reality which I am sure you well know given your work. Also get dad to call nspxx for advice too

Littlebirdyouaresosweet · 29/06/2022 12:31

Making up stories is attention seeking. He is asking for help op.

I reported a dm from dd's school when dd's witnessed abuse.... School did report to ss.
And thankfully my windows are still intact..
Seriously though you must report op.

Schmz · 29/06/2022 12:32

My goodness -
put your SW hat on and think really hard -

if you can’t answer the question request safeguarding update at work asap !!!!!

I can’t believe you are a practising SW and are asking this ?????

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 12:33

I've got supervision Monday, I will speak to my manager then and put my concern in.

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Schmz · 29/06/2022 12:34

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 12:33

I've got supervision Monday, I will speak to my manager then and put my concern in.

Right answer 👍

well done ✅

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 12:35

I know I should know better! It's hard when it's close to you and you don't have your work hat on.

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Greenqueen40 · 29/06/2022 13:27

As a social worker I can't believe you are even having to ask this!!

stayingpositiveifpossible · 29/06/2022 13:33

One thing that occurs to me is that from your post you see to be accepting what this adult person is doing. And also what they are telling you.

The situation could be entirely different from what you have been told.

It could be better.

It could be worse.

What bothers me is that you don't seem to have the capacity to see that you may be being lied to.

You are way too emotionally involved in this.

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 13:43

I feel like I need to defend myself! I don't work in CP and never have. I work in the LAC team and deal with children who have experienced far worse than this, I do make the odd referral to CP if a YP tells me something about someone else but it's not my area of expertise. I'm pretty confident that I can report it to trigger a visit and for them to speak to the school (although she is well liked at the school, the boy told his dad there wasn't any point him telling the school anything that goes on at home because they wouldn't believe it).

I last got involved a year ago and spoke with a CP colleague for guidance and he advised to advise my ex on how to get his son full-time, to create an impact chronology of events, what legal teams he recommended and I did a lot of work to support my ex in this. After I tried to help my ex he then backtracked and made out that he had exaggerated in his upset over this and that he could never take his son away from his mum. So I am pretty reluctant to get involved and upset on their behalf if it just turns out to be the same thing. However, since he told me about the hitting herself and how upset his son was I've thought about it and it doesn't sit comfortably with me. So I've posted here to see if my feelings are right or if I'm being dragged back in their drama again.

So please stop exclaiming how silly I am for not reporting straight away. I'm trying to work out a situation that is close to me and will impact me once I report it. I know I'm not allowed to make anonymous referrals at work, I am hoping this will be different as it's not work.

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PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 13:44

100% I am too emotionally involved with this!

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PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 13:55

@stayingpositiveifpossible do you mean by my ex husband? I have thought of that, it does come across as genuine concern from him, yet he won't do anything about it. That's where that doubt creeps in.

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stayingpositiveifpossible · 29/06/2022 14:30

Yes I do mean your ex husband.

Dig deep and follow your intuition. With your training you will know that things don't always appear as they are.

Consider whether you are being gaslit by him.

If you are, that will destroy your career. Apart from anything else.

Ask yourself what vested interest does he have?

I was a school governor my safeguarding training is a bit dated now but this approach makes sense. Expect the worst.

And the worst may be that he is lying about the whole scenario .

It may be better than he is making it out to be

and it may be WORSE

2bazookas · 29/06/2022 14:30

Keep out of it. It's not your business.

Whatever goes wrong, you'll be blamed.

PurpleTreesAndPineapples · 29/06/2022 14:51

My intuition is saying - both him and her and their son need to sit down together and work this out. There is something going on and their son isnt happy. I think my ex h guilt influences how he sees things and responds to things and that's why I haven't just reported it . I think she does shout too much (she has form for shouting at other people in front of her dc) but I don't believe it meets the threshold to trigger CP. It might go to CIN but I'm not sure on that either. I expect she'd get early support for a few weeks but that is voluntary on her part. If you asked me a scaling question with 0 being significant harm and 10 being completely safe I would put this boy at a 5 for emotional damage but there isn't a physical threat to his life and he does well at school, has friends and good parents evenings. His dad feels anxious and is worried after reading a report of a 10yr old hanging himself, but his dad does have intrusive thoughts and anxiety around his son.

I might do a joharis window reflection about what I know and what I don't know. I'm struggling to pull it together in my mind what the best thing is, I can't just sit back and hear about more and more damage though.

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