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AIBU pretending to be a child online ought to be reported to police?

60 replies

Auntybusybody1 · 26/06/2022 23:31

I’ve NC for this. My Dsil did give permission for me to post but I don’t want my posting history to show. I’m sorry if it ends up long I don’t want to drip feed.

TL;DR version - AIBU in thinking that pretending to be a child to talk to your child’s friend online is something that ought to be reported to police whether it’s a friend’s mum or dad doing so?

long version-

My DNiece was 13 when this happened but it’s been playing on my mind since it happened last year and as my Dsil and I disagree on how she dealt with it, we agreed to ask MN’s opinion.

My DN’s school friends mum had been messaging DN on snap pretending to be her 12 year old daughter (A) to try to find out what A was up to at school and with friends. It just so happened this one time my DN and DSil were at an appointment in school time that As mum got caught out. DN asked who she thought was A, why she was messaging her during class time and screenshotting her response. Eventually A’s mum revealed it was her messaging and told DN she was entitled to read her daughters Snapchat. DN was relaying all this to Dsil as it happened and asked A’s mum to phone Dsil. A’s mum then phoned immediately in a panic and was justifying her behaviour as worrying at how she didn’t know what was going on in A’s life and wanted to know. Dsil said she shouldn’t have done it that way but essentially had to in her words ‘de-escalate a situation with someone who sounded seriously unstable and manic.’ Dsil kept said she kept it civil and that A’s mum later text to thank Dsil for their ‘chat’ that afternoon.

Dsil waited until the next day to be less angry before replying to A’s mum basically saying while it’s ok to check your child’s socials and messages, she wasn’t happy with A’s mum pretending to be A in messages to DN and that she wasn’t to ever contact or approach DN again without her permission. DN had to block A on Socials as DSil didn’t trust it was always A DN would be talking to but they could still talk at school.

The friends mum didn’t think she’d done anything wrong and told the other school mums Dsil had accused her of grooming DN when she was simply checking A’s messages.

I think Dsil ought to have gone to the police about this. A’s mum was pretending to be a child to message an unsuspecting child and we have no idea how often or for how long A’s mum had been doing this. DN doesn’t know when she was talking to her 12 year old friend and when she was talking to the adult mother, but later did say sometimes A seemed to write in text speak and other times she didn’t.

Dsil thinks sending the message telling the woman to stay away and that she wasn’t happy about her behaviour is enough and that the police didn’t need to be involved.

If that had been A’s dad messaging DN, dsil agrees they would probably have seen more red flags and probably have treated the situation more seriously but I don’t see it being any different whether it’s an adult woman or man pretending they’re a child to talk to another child without revealing who they are in advance.

AIBU in thinking that pretending to be a child to talk to your child’s friend online is something that ought to be reported to police whether it’s a friend’s mum or dad doing so?

YABU - the mum was just checking her daughters social media activity and it’s perfectly innocent. An angry text was an appropriate response
YANBU - innocent or not that kind of devious behaviour needs to be flagged up to authorities.

OP posts:
Midlifemusings · 27/06/2022 07:39

It is completely inappropriate but not criminal. While men and women can groom, this doesn't sound like grooming.

Doingmybest12 · 27/06/2022 07:43

Did your SIL believe the reason for the other mum making contact? If so I can not see this as a police matter. It is crossing boundaries and not ok which is why your SIL dealt with it. If she is worried generally about the other mum or the parent -child relationship then she could let school know and they may or may not have other pieces of information to add this to.

ColadhSamh · 27/06/2022 07:50

Concerned that so many wouldn't report to anyone thinking it has been dealt with. The very least it should be reported to safeguarding who should be aware of this behaviour. They may already be aware of other issues with the family.

Concerning that the mother has very quickly gone on the defensive by getting her 'story' out there. This would add weight to approaching safeguarding. As some have pointed out if it was a man it would provoke a different reaction.

Wife2b · 27/06/2022 07:51

I think it is up to your dsil to deal either it how she sees fit, given that it is regarding her child. I don’t think it’s grooming, inappropriate yes but not grooming. Your niece was not in any danger and the intention was clearly not to cause harm.

Friendship101 · 27/06/2022 07:56

Blahburst · 27/06/2022 07:35

It’s an excellent lesson for all the children involved that people online aren’t always who they say they are.

Not really, this was somebody who was sometimes her real life friend and sometimes friends really weird Mum.

it’s very weird, not a crime so not a police matter but very weird. I’m obviously not a child but my SIL replies to me as my brother when I message him so I no longer message him as never know who it is. I think it’s just an absurd control thing.

ComDummings · 27/06/2022 07:56

I would report it because some of it was on Snapchat and snaps disappear. So neither of you knows that there was nothing untoward being said.

mindutopia · 27/06/2022 08:04

If I was your dsil I would have raised it with the school. It’s not a police matter, but it sounds like the family could potentially use some extra support.

WhereIsVillanelleWhenNeeded · 27/06/2022 08:12

I can’t believe how many people are saying leave it. She messaged a child pretending to be her friend, someone she knows and trusts. Just because weird mum says it was innocent it must be……- but if it had been dad not so innocent apparently. Messaging a child to build her trust is grooming, whether the mum had sinister intent that’s not for us to determine but professionals. The mum has panicked and is trying to justify her actions, why? Because she knows she was wrong and got caught. I wonder how many people saying do nothing would feel the same if their child had received the messages.

Ponoka7 · 27/06/2022 08:15

I agree that it should have been flagged to the school's safeguarding lead and they could involve the police if advised to. You don't ever really know people. Children are vulnerable and can be emotionally damaged/really upset by certain things being said, that's without the grooming side. It is women who are involved in the first stage of trafficking girls/women. It is women who groom young Muslim women to get involved in terrorism. Other 'religious' etc groups use women. In a lot of cases of underage/young sexual assault cases, it's the women in the perpetrator's life that has put pressure on/targeted the victim. Women are used in the drugs trade and women can be sexual predators.
This wouldn't be ignored by safeguarding and it's worrying that so many posters think that it's ok to do this. If you have such concerns about your own child then go to the school yourself and all work together, don't target other children.

Has2sons · 27/06/2022 08:17

Report to safeguarding team in school. There may be other issues you are not privy to and this may be a “piece of the jigsaw”. They can decide if it is important, relevant, needs acted upon.
Alternatively you can report here as you are concerned about how someone has been communicating on line:
www.ceop.police.uk/Safety-Centre/

Nishky32 · 27/06/2022 08:22

ComDummings · 27/06/2022 07:56

I would report it because some of it was on Snapchat and snaps disappear. So neither of you knows that there was nothing untoward being said.

So there is no evidence- what would you report? Also what criminal offence? None of the posters saying report to police have answered that one

Nishky32 · 27/06/2022 08:24

Friendship101 · 27/06/2022 07:56

Not really, this was somebody who was sometimes her real life friend and sometimes friends really weird Mum.

it’s very weird, not a crime so not a police matter but very weird. I’m obviously not a child but my SIL replies to me as my brother when I message him so I no longer message him as never know who it is. I think it’s just an absurd control thing.

I had the exact same thing-not ‘hi this is X on Y’s phone’ just answered a message I sent to my brother- I knew it was not him due to the type of language used. So disturbing

fUNNYfACE36 · 27/06/2022 08:29

NewtoHolland · 27/06/2022 06:47

I would report to the school.

Wtf do you expect them to do?!

Trainbear · 27/06/2022 08:36

Wilful misrepresentation.
No intent to use the information for criminal activity.
Social services would take note. May not react on one incident but every item is held.

WhereIsVillanelleWhenNeeded · 27/06/2022 08:36

Nishky32 · 27/06/2022 08:22

So there is no evidence- what would you report? Also what criminal offence? None of the posters saying report to police have answered that one

You’d report what happened. There may not be any offences on this occasion but none of us know whether she’s done this sort of thing before or has links to someone that has. I’d rather report and be told there’s nothing to be concerned about than do nothing and then hear she’s done it again. This mum hasn’t just flicked through her daughter’s diary, she’s crossed a line.

Nishky32 · 27/06/2022 08:47

WhereIsVillanelleWhenNeeded · 27/06/2022 08:36

You’d report what happened. There may not be any offences on this occasion but none of us know whether she’s done this sort of thing before or has links to someone that has. I’d rather report and be told there’s nothing to be concerned about than do nothing and then hear she’s done it again. This mum hasn’t just flicked through her daughter’s diary, she’s crossed a line.

Report to the school yes as a safeguarding issue- but do you know how stretched the police are?

the school can flag up if they deem it necessary.

WhereIsVillanelleWhenNeeded · 27/06/2022 09:00

Nishky32 · 27/06/2022 08:47

Report to the school yes as a safeguarding issue- but do you know how stretched the police are?

the school can flag up if they deem it necessary.

Yes I do know, I’m civilian police staff and they would rather have this sort of call and there be nothing in it than nothing said at all. I’m saying report it, whether it’s ceop, the school or to their local police. Just don’t ignore it, and I wouldn’t gossip with the other parents.

CourtneeLuv · 27/06/2022 09:07

WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor · 26/06/2022 23:38

I’m not sure about the police but it’s a seriously weird thing to do. However, the reason it’s different if a man does it is that women almost never groom underage girls for sex on SM where as men do it all the time.

Have you never heard of ghislane maxwell?

ChinnyTroubles · 27/06/2022 09:15

mindutopia · 27/06/2022 08:04

If I was your dsil I would have raised it with the school. It’s not a police matter, but it sounds like the family could potentially use some extra support.

This.

Poor A, her mum sounds completely BS very OTT.

NippyWoowoo · 27/06/2022 09:18

We had this situation in your school (SEN secondary) and head phoned a police officer who regularly came in to give chats for advice. He said that as the mum admitted that it was her, they couldn't really do anything about it.

I guess it comes down to the nature of the conversation, if it can't be construed as grooming then they probably sliding do much

Reallyreallyborednow · 27/06/2022 09:38

YNBUA because an adult impersonating a child online to another child should be illegal. Especially when it's not a one off

then all those idiot “paedophile hunters” could be stopped as well.

SoupDragon · 27/06/2022 09:42

I think your SIL handled it OK in these specific circumstances.

lifecanbehardattimes · 27/06/2022 09:44

I'm surprised people think the school should be informed but not the police!

10HailMarys · 27/06/2022 09:45

It's not a police matter, but the mum is fucking nuts

KappaChino · 27/06/2022 09:49

The friends mum didn’t think she’d done anything wrong and told the other school mums Dsil had accused her of grooming DN when she was simply checking A’s messages.

I don't think this is going to come across as well as she hopes with the other school mums she's moaning to, if they stop to think about what she actually did.