Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

AIBU pretending to be a child online ought to be reported to police?

60 replies

Auntybusybody1 · 26/06/2022 23:31

I’ve NC for this. My Dsil did give permission for me to post but I don’t want my posting history to show. I’m sorry if it ends up long I don’t want to drip feed.

TL;DR version - AIBU in thinking that pretending to be a child to talk to your child’s friend online is something that ought to be reported to police whether it’s a friend’s mum or dad doing so?

long version-

My DNiece was 13 when this happened but it’s been playing on my mind since it happened last year and as my Dsil and I disagree on how she dealt with it, we agreed to ask MN’s opinion.

My DN’s school friends mum had been messaging DN on snap pretending to be her 12 year old daughter (A) to try to find out what A was up to at school and with friends. It just so happened this one time my DN and DSil were at an appointment in school time that As mum got caught out. DN asked who she thought was A, why she was messaging her during class time and screenshotting her response. Eventually A’s mum revealed it was her messaging and told DN she was entitled to read her daughters Snapchat. DN was relaying all this to Dsil as it happened and asked A’s mum to phone Dsil. A’s mum then phoned immediately in a panic and was justifying her behaviour as worrying at how she didn’t know what was going on in A’s life and wanted to know. Dsil said she shouldn’t have done it that way but essentially had to in her words ‘de-escalate a situation with someone who sounded seriously unstable and manic.’ Dsil kept said she kept it civil and that A’s mum later text to thank Dsil for their ‘chat’ that afternoon.

Dsil waited until the next day to be less angry before replying to A’s mum basically saying while it’s ok to check your child’s socials and messages, she wasn’t happy with A’s mum pretending to be A in messages to DN and that she wasn’t to ever contact or approach DN again without her permission. DN had to block A on Socials as DSil didn’t trust it was always A DN would be talking to but they could still talk at school.

The friends mum didn’t think she’d done anything wrong and told the other school mums Dsil had accused her of grooming DN when she was simply checking A’s messages.

I think Dsil ought to have gone to the police about this. A’s mum was pretending to be a child to message an unsuspecting child and we have no idea how often or for how long A’s mum had been doing this. DN doesn’t know when she was talking to her 12 year old friend and when she was talking to the adult mother, but later did say sometimes A seemed to write in text speak and other times she didn’t.

Dsil thinks sending the message telling the woman to stay away and that she wasn’t happy about her behaviour is enough and that the police didn’t need to be involved.

If that had been A’s dad messaging DN, dsil agrees they would probably have seen more red flags and probably have treated the situation more seriously but I don’t see it being any different whether it’s an adult woman or man pretending they’re a child to talk to another child without revealing who they are in advance.

AIBU in thinking that pretending to be a child to talk to your child’s friend online is something that ought to be reported to police whether it’s a friend’s mum or dad doing so?

YABU - the mum was just checking her daughters social media activity and it’s perfectly innocent. An angry text was an appropriate response
YANBU - innocent or not that kind of devious behaviour needs to be flagged up to authorities.

OP posts:
WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor · 26/06/2022 23:38

I’m not sure about the police but it’s a seriously weird thing to do. However, the reason it’s different if a man does it is that women almost never groom underage girls for sex on SM where as men do it all the time.

bellac11 · 26/06/2022 23:44

The police wont be interested but it is seriously inappropriate. And while its not often the case that women groom young girls for sex (they do sometimes, Im working with such a situation at the moment), what they do sometimes do is groom girls to get involved in drugs, criminal activity and general exploitation which often brings them into contact with unsafe adults where by default sexual exploitation will then ensue

Now obviously thats not relevant here but its not right.

letsplanaholiday · 26/06/2022 23:47

Not a police matter. What offence do you think has happened? Your sil has dealt with it.

Icansleep · 26/06/2022 23:51

I think its very wrong and sneaky what A's mum did but I don't think its a police matter
I'm assuming she wasn't asking for or talking about to your dn about anything inappropriate, just looking for gossip on her daughter which is shitty

Dreamwhisper · 26/06/2022 23:55

I actually see that as a manipulation so while it's obviously a million miles away from grooming for CP purposes, it is incredibly dishonest and inappropriate and just crossing so many boundaries. Regardless of whether it was a man or a woman, if I was the parent of the girl being messages I would be furious and extremely uncomfortable at the whole situation.

Also crossing boundaries like that is so dysfunctional for her poor daughter. My DC are only little and I do agree that there should be an open agreement that until a certain age there's a limit to how much privacy a child should have on social media, going out of your way to try and catch your child out by speaking with a friend by catfishing said friend is just, ugh. Makes my skin crawl.

At school there was a boy who it was common knowledge had to have his phone on in his pocket with his mum silently on the line so she could hear what was going on. How do you think other people took that? How do you think that made him feel? It's all just really really wrong and unhealthy.

Surely the school would have something to say about this? I don't know if it's extreme enough for the police, wish it was though...

fUNNYfACE36 · 27/06/2022 00:02

I think its weird and deceitful ,but not illegal .It isn't grooming

autocollantes · 27/06/2022 05:41

YNBUA because an adult impersonating a child online to another child should be illegal. Especially when it's not a one off. But it's not so not sure what the police could do.

However, I think it's something that should be raised somehow, at least from A's position. I think I'd tell the safeguarding lead. They might also do or be able to do nothing, but it would flag that something isn't right there in case they had other info that something might not be right. Because it's an insanely controlling thing to do to your own child.

So I think you've framed your question wrong in away because you're right that it was wrong on so many levels and even that the police should be at least having a chat with the mother, however, in reality going to them would probably have been futile.

Bzzz · 27/06/2022 06:25

I am genuinely shocked at the poll results on this one. Op i completely agree with you, this should be reported to the police. If it were the friends dad acting in this way there would be uproar - why should it be different because its the mum

PoseyFlump · 27/06/2022 06:38

I think your Dsil dealt with it in the right way. If an adult sets up an online persona to approach children that's very different to a mother accessing her daughters phone to snoop (taking it one step further in this case to dig for information) She's crossed a massive line and her daughter will probably never trust her again. That's punishment enough.

Arnaquer · 27/06/2022 06:41

It is completely inappropriate but she has not committed any criminal offences. Sorry but the police would not be interested. Your SIL has dealt with it.

Discovereads · 27/06/2022 06:42

I agree it should be something you can report to the police & be illegal as a kind of identity theft. However, I know it is not illegal and that the police can do nothing about it.

NewtoHolland · 27/06/2022 06:47

I would report to the school.

WhereIsVillanelleWhenNeeded · 27/06/2022 06:52

I think I’d speak with the police, this could be nothing or it could be the start of something. You don’t know whether she will do it again nor whether she’s done it before. What difference does it make if it’s a man or a woman? She could be acting on behalf of someone or not, either way it’s weird. If it’s a one off, worst case scenario the police have some intelligence on her but if she’s done it before they’re building evidence of a pattern.

JuneJubilee · 27/06/2022 07:00

YABU

its a weird & awful thing to do to HER own daughter. But she was snooping on HER daughter NOT 'grooming' your niece.

the woman is batshit, but this isn't something that needs taking to the police, unless her daughter decides to.

ShandaLear · 27/06/2022 07:05

I don’t know if it’s a police matter but it is weird and deceitful, and I would warn other parents about it - I’m not sure how that would work in terms A herself, but I certainly wouldn’t be allowing an unhinged woman to be badmouthing me without sharing my side of the story. It’s one thing to chick your child’s messages, but quite another to impersonate them.

Suddha · 27/06/2022 07:09

I wouldn’t be happy with an adult impersonating a child and talking to my child online. It should be an offence. I’d have called the police, even if it ultimately came to nothing at least it would frighten the crap out of her and hopefully put her off doing it again.

WhereIsVillanelleWhenNeeded · 27/06/2022 07:12

But she was snooping on HER daughter NOT 'grooming' your niece.

She wasn’t just checking her phone she was messaging as her daughter. We only have the word of the woman pretending to be her daughter online that there’s nothing more to it. It probably is innocent but what if the niece isn’t the first or the last?

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 27/06/2022 07:14

I wouldn't be happy if it was my child she was messaging

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/06/2022 07:21

It's weird and dishonest but it's not a police matter and not grooming.

Igmum · 27/06/2022 07:24

Totally weird and utterly inappropriate. Yes, by all means read the messages, but pose as a child? Absolutely not. I think your DSIL dealt with this well and, unless there's a massive drip feed coming about what was said, it isn't a Police matter. I'd think about letting the school know what happened and I'd certainly warn the other parents. Her poor daughter.

RoseAndRose · 27/06/2022 07:26

If it was an adult man who was starting a convo with an underage girl, even though initial exchanges were innocuous, I think most would report it to the police, because it's so creepily wrong. He might not have committed an offence as yet, but it's a bit like having burglary tools in your car - you look all set to do so (and it may or may not be an offence in itself, depending on wider circumstances)

As pp noted, women also groom, for a variety of reasons. Grooming a child is wrong.

Now, if impersonating her own DD, then how far she can take it herself is limited, but of course her direct involvement might not be the end of the story.

I think this is worrying, as is her reaction to being caught out. But only parents of the DC involved can make the call on whether to involve the police

EmeraldShamrock1 · 27/06/2022 07:27

That's unforgivable, surely there is another way of keeping her DD safe.

MultiBird · 27/06/2022 07:31

WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor · 26/06/2022 23:38

I’m not sure about the police but it’s a seriously weird thing to do. However, the reason it’s different if a man does it is that women almost never groom underage girls for sex on SM where as men do it all the time.

I don't think this is true. They might not have sex with the girls themselves, but there are multiple cases where women have groomed girls for sex with men. Plus all the other forms of exploitation.

Namechanger1002 · 27/06/2022 07:34

I would speak to the school to let them know and ask their advice.

Blahburst · 27/06/2022 07:35

It’s an excellent lesson for all the children involved that people online aren’t always who they say they are.