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Tiverton and Wakefield

58 replies

Lalliella · 24/06/2022 08:06

Hurrah 🎉🎉

Hope this is the beginning of the end for this rancid government.

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pointythings · 24/06/2022 13:44

Abhannmor · 24/06/2022 12:35

Doesn't have to be a coalition. They can support the Labour government on a Confidence and Supply basis without joining a formal coalition
But if the opt for the latter they should demand PR . Proper PR with a single transferable vote. No messing about. No more massive majorities with only 4 out of 10 votes. If they fluff that - it's a no change election .

100% this. FPTP = a fundamentally deficient democracy.

WatchoRulo · 24/06/2022 14:33

The main thing that's been preventing reform is both Labour and the Tories believing they could get a majority.

orwellwasright · 24/06/2022 14:35

Fireflygal · 24/06/2022 08:17

I was delighted to hear the news and that the Party Chairman resigning...I imagine Tories will look to get rid of BJ.

Well they've already tried that and it didn't work. Now they can't try it again for another year. Although Bozo might change the rules on that because he's literally a despot who says 'nothing and nobody will stop me being prime minister'.

mbosnz · 24/06/2022 14:40

I'm waiting for them to decide the cattle ( us), clearly can't be trusted with a vote, and set about to remove it. Oh wait. They're already doing that, aren't they, as they mess about with the electoral boundaries, and requirement for id when voting?

jcyclops · 24/06/2022 15:14

Proper PR with a single transferable vote. No messing about. No more massive majorities with only 4 out of 10 votes.

So if a constituency votes 35% Labour, 33% Liberal, 26% Conservative, with STV you probably end up with a Liberal MP?
(Labour's Olivia Blake was elected with these results in 2019)

There are many forms of PR, but STV is probably the only version that is worse than FPTP.

Confirmingmyusername · 24/06/2022 17:04

hunge · 24/06/2022 09:06

The problem is Labour have an absolutely brilliant opportunity here to present themselves as the better party. And they haven’t. That’s not really filling me with confidence.

Exactly this

AmaryIlis · 24/06/2022 18:11

hunge · 24/06/2022 09:06

The problem is Labour have an absolutely brilliant opportunity here to present themselves as the better party. And they haven’t. That’s not really filling me with confidence.

12% swing looks pretty convincing from here.

pointythings · 24/06/2022 18:14

@jcyclops if you had PR, you wouldn't have constituencies in the way the UK does now. However, I would far rather see straightforward PR with no STV, the same way the system works in my native Netherlands. It wastes the least votes. The Dutch system is list based, and normally people would vote for the first listed candidate for a given politcal party - this translates as a vote for that party nationally. However, if there is a particular candidate who for whatever reason is popular, the voted can choose specifically to vote for that individual, and if enough people do this and the party gains seats, this person would sit in Parliament. This has happened once or twice.

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