Tiverton and Wakefield

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Hurrah 🎉🎉

Hope this is the beginning of the end for this rancid government.

The problem is Labour have an absolutely brilliant opportunity here to present themselves as the better party. And they haven’t. That’s not really filling me with confidence.

The last coalition was an absolute disaster for the Lib Dems and one of the reasons we've been stuck with the Tories for so long

A coalition with labour would be a much more natural fit though. I don’t think it’s anywhere near the same sort of proposition.

Excellent news

Which of the 'a woman can have a penis ' party do you want?

The bits that don't punish poor people for rhe crime of being poor, that don't hand over billion pound contracts to their mates while metaphorically flicking the Vs at the rest of the us, the part that doesn't run the NHS into the ground so that they can sell it off (also to their mates), the part that isn't 90% off its chops on coke, the part that isn't fucking over teachers and education, the part that isn't forcibly sending vulnerable people to a country known for state sanctioned "disappearances" and other human rights abuses, the part that doesn't want to overwrite our human rights.... fuck this list is getting wrong.

Johnson is no ally to women or women's rights and many Tory policies negatively impact women who are more likely to work in the public sector, more likely to be single parents with main care, more likely to be carers to disabled family members, more likely to work in low paid job roles, more likely to be victims of domestic abuse, and more likely to be raped or sexually assaulted. Then there are the overtly sexust attitudes displayed by Tories, including Johnson himself who informed everyone that the best way to deal with advice from a female colleague is to pat her on the bottom and send her on her way.

The trans conversation can be had but first this shower of right wing arseholes need to be removed.

It's laughable that people want make Boris and the Tories the party for women. I agree the others need to sort their heads out on that, but it doesn't mean we'll have to accept all the other outrages, and the idea that Boris is a friend to women? 😆😆😆😆

You'll never agree with everything any one party says. This is just an excuse IMO. The Conservatives know what a woman is so sending refugees to Rwanda, vetoing any and all attempts to protect the environment or employments rights etc etc is OK?

The trans conversation can be had but first this shower of right wing arseholes need to be removed.

Very much this. If you're thinking of voting Conservative because 'they know what a woman is' you're colluding in more years of misery for the poor, the disabled, those fleeing persecution - and yes, women.

Yes exactly.
The Tories know what a woman is, they use it to inform policies that rely on exploiting them.
E.g. the pressure at the last election for social care to be provided by "families" - everyone knows that means women.
Or the "homeschooling" in the pandemic - again, that means women.

The only reason the conservatives even mention this is because they know it differentiates them and wins them votes. It isnt their actual policy. This whole "self ID" debacle was kicked off when Maria Miller (a conservative) conducted an equality review that didn't consult women and recommended self ID

www.theguardian.com/society/2015/jul/27/equality-transphobia-targeted-uk-review-transgender-rights

I don't give a shit about who can define women, as long as Labour don't actively change the law to allow self-ID then I'll vote for them. The conservatives are no friends of women at the moment (or ever IMO)

I believe that changing the rules just requires a simple majority of Tory MPs to vote it through. So if they had enough MPs to get rid of him, they'd have enough to change the rules in order to do it.

Thing is, whatever Boris says, men are accessing womens’ spaces now. Under this Tory government. This is one issue I massively disagree with Lib Dems and Labour on but the idea that women are safer with Tories is a nonsense. Words are cheap - they are saying one thing but the slide is happening regardless.

I’d rather vote on a multitude of issues (cost of living, education, NHS…) and then fight over the one I disagree with than vote on one issue, ignore the rest of the damage they’ve done and ignore what they are actually letting happen.

Maternity rights

Jacob rees Mogg’s dashboard of European laws he says are up for grabs gives statutory rights on maternity pay and statutory leave as something that can be changed.

Just asked him to confirm UK women won’t have employment rights removed. He refused to answer

twitter.com/stellacreasy/status/1539598704012922880?t=Ox6k3u705i5hqfRT5pzZuQ&s=19

Let's not forget too that rape is now more or less a punishment free crime, that the Conservatives made it more difficult for victims of domestic abuse mainly women) to leave, and that they introduced the "rape clause" to the benefit system.

They fucking hate women.

Nobody seems to be interested in sorting the economy, training young people for something useful, not media studies, investment in manufacturing, you know, making stuff that people want to buy, sorting housing, stopping all and sundry from floating up to this already crowded island, sorting energy independence, sorting a decent agriculture policy, educate children in stuff that will push forward the UK in the future, maintain our armed forces and so on and so on.

But anyone that can 'define a woman', yeah we'll vote for them. Pure short-term navel-gazing.

Crucible
Can I just say here, that if Labour and Lib Den blow the chance of getting rid of the Tories by refusing to form a coalition at election (should it be necessary) , It will be a tragedy indeed.
Ed and Sir Keir - WHATEVER IT TAKES TO REMOVE THEM. DO IT.
No that is not the answer for a full-term stable parliament. There are too many factions within each party.
Labour: Blairites and Corbynistas who would be at each other on many issues especially Trade Unions. That would split Lib Dems. Blairites would find many issues of common cause with many Libs.
Libs have no real experience of Governing, many internal disagreements over Defence and police.
Widespread disagreement on Tax and Spending.

Nearly forgot; what would either of them promise the Scots Nats for support?
Be careful what you wish for!

This - so much this.

Yes there is a discussion to be had on Trans rights, BUT hanging your hat on this one thing when there is SO much more out there that affects people (not "just" women, but people, including women)) is... not something I understand.

Whilst I welcome the results , we know from past experience that it will make no difference to Boris.
He's a narcissist, he won't step down.
The only way out of this mess is a general election.
Not that I have much confidence in Labour currently either, but that surely are better than this.

Whilst I agree with the obvious misstatement on gender, an election vote based purely on one or two issues is what got us into this mess (Brexit and immigration if memory serves!). So I will absolutely vote for whichever candidate has the best opportunity to oust the current lot, and if that means they have to agree to play nice in a coalition I'd rather see it as a Lab/LD one

I agree Mr Johnson will not step down. I am not sure he would leave if the Tory party passed a vote of no confidence in him.

In theory a coalition government would do absolute wonders for the country. It's practically the norm in most other nations bar the US. Shame the last time was such a farce it will be easy to spin the negatives.

I imagine Oliver Dowden resigned because someone has to take a hit for Boris

I think it's more than Dowden no longer wants to be on the same sinking ship.

I think if he were taking the hit for Boris, he’d have written a much more supportive letter of resignation. His resignation was a pretty thinly veiled attack.

Important to remember too that these elections only took place because one MP sexually assaulted a child and another was caught watching pornography at work. That's the calibre of MP included in the current government.

‘I think if he were taking the hit for Boris, he’d have written a much more supportive letter of resignation. His resignation was a pretty thinly veiled attack.’

Only yesterday, Dowden was backing Boris claiming he got all the big calls right. He also made a ridiculous speech for the anti-LGBT Heritage Foundation claiming that cancel culture was the biggest issue facing the U.K. He was probably the biggest culture warrior in the current government and cheerlead Boris into the corner he’s in now. He has zero to attack Boris on that he too isn’t guilty of. These people have no integrity at all so this last minute distancing won’t work.

Doesn't have to be a coalition. They can support the Labour government on a Confidence and Supply basis without joining a formal coalition
But if the opt for the latter they should demand PR . Proper PR with a single transferable vote. No messing about. No more massive majorities with only 4 out of 10 votes. If they fluff that - it's a no change election .