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To be worried about polio?

133 replies

maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 06:14

I understand that it is out of our control, but the news about polio returning since 2003, I’m worried for my children.

They’ve had all of their shots bar my pre-schooler who is getting hers next month.

I’m still concerned for my children and furthermore, I’m equally as concerned for children nationwide.

AIBU to be concerned about the arrival of polio?

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Womenandwomenfirst · 24/06/2022 16:38

I agree with poster upthread that (some) people have become complacent, feeling that because certain diseases are now very rare, vaccination is unnecessary, missing the point that they are rare because of vaccines.

maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 17:46

OperaStation · 24/06/2022 06:58

Don’t be ridiculous, it’s not in the water!

I think I read that in the Metro yesterday morning on my way to work! Lol. I thought it was a bit of a wild concept but hey, who knows.

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 17:47

Will reply to as many posters as I can, please bear with me. Didn’t realise the thread would get so many replies.

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 17:49

balalake · 24/06/2022 07:05

Valid concern about those not vaccinated and any impact of anti-vaxxers.

Thank you for understanding where I am coming from.

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 17:51

@Wickywickyyow Are you drinking sewage water? Because that's where it was found. It's excreted in people's poo so no, not your tap water.

No, I am not drinking sewage water. Thank you so much for your informative response.

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 17:52

@AquaticSewingMachine They are fully vaccinated by the time they've had the preschool booster.
The vaccine schedule is also available on Google.

Thank you for this information.

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 17:57

JangolinaPitt · 24/06/2022 07:28

Oh god - here we go again….Covid is so last year so look for the next thing to terrify your kids with ..

My children are not terrified. I’m a mother. Therefore, it is my job to keep my worries and anxieties to myself. Thanks for the reminder on how not to project your own insecurities and anxieties onto innocent little children. Very much appreciated 👍

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 17:58

Hoardasurass · 24/06/2022 07:30

Being Scared or worried is daft as it's not polio that they found but old fashioned vaccine (made with live virus) which in extremely rare circumstances can polio if you come into contact with UNTREATED SEWAGE.
Rather than wasting energy on being scared and try getting angry with parents if 1/4 of London children who are themselves vaccinated but refused to give their children the same protection because when polio like measles properly returns they will be the dead and permanently disabled by it all because their parents were to stupid to protect them

I totally hear what you’re saying. Thank you for your input.

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:03

PinkButtercups · 24/06/2022 07:47

Your tap water is fine. I don't drink tap water as we live in a hard like scale area and it's just gross. But tap water wouldn't even cross my mind tbh.

Lol okay cool, thanks for this confirmation

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:05

Thinkingblonde · 24/06/2022 07:47

I read the article and not just the headlines. Traces of live polio vaccine has been found in sewage water in London, believed to come from someone who has been vaccinated in a country where live vaccine is still used. Sewage water is tested regularly for all kinds of nasties. The U.K. doesn’t use live vaccine anymore, lthere is no outbreak as such. It’s not in tap water. It’s a heads up to everyone that immunisation needs to continue, to keep these awful diseases under control: polio, measles, mumps, rubella, T.B. If your children have been vaccinated, good, if not, get them vaccinated.

Great, informative response. Thank you very much 💐

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:18

Oblomov22 · 24/06/2022 08:21

Why are you so anxious. A small amount was found in the sewers. No cases. They just want people to be vaccinated. Yours are. The risk analysis is minimal. This hysteria isn't helping.

If you could point out where I stated that I was hysterical in my OP, I would really appreciate it.

Nevertheless, thank you for your input.

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:19

FishcakesWithTooMuchCoriander · 24/06/2022 08:29

Polio is more or less eradicated in most of the world but it remains endemic in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Nigeria has struggled with polio longer than other countries too. Areas in the ME and N/E Africa are polio free but are not yet certified as such.

The worry is that vaccination rates for polio among teenagers have plummeted in some communities of the uk, and particularly in London. Finding polio in sewerage in London is a concern - but they haven’t found any cases. That’s why the focus is on increasing vaccination as a preventative measure.

There’s no need to panic.

Thank you for your extremely informative response and for putting my mind at rest to some degree. I appreciate it. 💐

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:21

@picklemewalnuts It's spreading. It's not just vaccine detritus, it's developing BECAUSE it is spreading. Between people. You know, like a virus does.

This 😔

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picklemewalnuts · 24/06/2022 18:28

@maisieandvicks that sounds so dramatic when you take it on its own! I was shouting because people were being a bit dismissive and reading what they wanted to hear.

Reality is it's not a big problem- we've caught it early, and even one injection has a big protective effect. The chances of your child being exposed And getting a serious dose, are slim to non existent.

She'll soon have had her last vaccine and will be fully protected instead of almost fully protected!

It's an issue for health authorities, not individuals. Flowers

dementedpixie · 24/06/2022 18:32

www.newscientist.com/article/2325891-polio-should-we-be-worried-about-virus-found-in-london-sewage/ This is quite interesting. You can have asymptomatic cases so wouldn't know it was being spread

Bergamotte · 24/06/2022 18:49

Whammyyammy · 24/06/2022 15:18

Well it only affects the anti vax gang 🤷‍♂️so not really a concern. We have a free NHS vaccine program, if anyone chooses not to take vaccine, then that's the risk they were prepared to accept

It is a concern for the babies and young children who cannot make the decision to get themselves vaccinated.
Hopefully public health campaigns will encourage their parents to make the sensible choice and get their children protected.

maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:51

FloorWipes · 24/06/2022 09:27

Seems a lot of people on this thread have misread the story and have decided to share their misunderstandings as fact.

To be clear, this issue has originated from a person who WAS vaccinated and there IS evidence of some community spread.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-61896411.amp

Thanks for this link @FloorWipes lol and love the name 😄

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:53

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/06/2022 09:35

You’ve no cause for concern if your children are all protected by vaccine.

So far, yes. Just waiting for my youngest to be vaccinated next month. Thank you for your reply

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:56

here is the information from the CDC on the effectiveness of 2 (90%) and 3 doses (99-100%) of the vaccine. Even just one dose gives some protection.

www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html

@chesirecat99 thank you for this information, very much appreciated

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 18:58

@Abra1d1 Anyone who had seen my father’s deformed knee joints would not hesitate to give their children the polio vaccination. Anyone who had seen him lose the ability to walk in old age as a result of polio more than half a century earlier would do the same.

Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry to hear about your father. This is awful and must have been extremely painful and heartbreaking for you to witness. Sending love to you and your father 💐

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 19:11

picklemewalnuts · 24/06/2022 18:28

@maisieandvicks that sounds so dramatic when you take it on its own! I was shouting because people were being a bit dismissive and reading what they wanted to hear.

Reality is it's not a big problem- we've caught it early, and even one injection has a big protective effect. The chances of your child being exposed And getting a serious dose, are slim to non existent.

She'll soon have had her last vaccine and will be fully protected instead of almost fully protected!

It's an issue for health authorities, not individuals. Flowers

Lol no worries, you don’t have to explain! It’s the type of subject that can tend to get people riled and adapt a kind of tunnel vision attitude towards the situation on a whole.

Thank you for your reassurance 💐

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 19:12

dementedpixie · 24/06/2022 18:32

www.newscientist.com/article/2325891-polio-should-we-be-worried-about-virus-found-in-london-sewage/ This is quite interesting. You can have asymptomatic cases so wouldn't know it was being spread

Hmm interesting. Thank you for the link

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maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 19:13

@Bergamotte It is a concern for the babies and young children who cannot make the decision to get themselves vaccinated.

Agreed

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UnmentionedElephantDildo · 24/06/2022 19:19

How worried were you before 2004?

That's when we stopped using oral vaccine in this country.

It sheds, so before the changeover there would have been far more in the sewers from the faeces of the newly immunised and probably their household contacts. not just limited areas from those immunised overseas who returned whilst still shedding, plus their contacts.

What's worrying is that vaccination rates in parts of London are so low - according to the Evening Standard quoting UKHSA the nadir borough with just 35% of teens being boosted in Hillingdon. So even with much less shedding going on than pre-2004, there's a greater chance of someone unimmunised coming across a shedder

maisieandvicks · 24/06/2022 19:27

UnmentionedElephantDildo · 24/06/2022 19:19

How worried were you before 2004?

That's when we stopped using oral vaccine in this country.

It sheds, so before the changeover there would have been far more in the sewers from the faeces of the newly immunised and probably their household contacts. not just limited areas from those immunised overseas who returned whilst still shedding, plus their contacts.

What's worrying is that vaccination rates in parts of London are so low - according to the Evening Standard quoting UKHSA the nadir borough with just 35% of teens being boosted in Hillingdon. So even with much less shedding going on than pre-2004, there's a greater chance of someone unimmunised coming across a shedder

I wasn’t worried before 2004 because I didn’t have any children before 2004 and I myself was fully vaccinated before 2004.

Thank you for the information provided in the latter part of your post though. Much appreciated.

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