Public sector pay rise demands unreasonable?

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I’m a nurse and outraged that we’ll only be getting (most likely) a 3% wage increase. I’m fully in favour of a strike action. But I’ve also just read that the junior doctors are planning a strike if they aren’t awarded a 22% increase 😮

We have all been losing wages year on year but 22% seems unrealistic. AIBU or have they got brilliant bargaining tactics?

Here

www.statista.com/statistics/872472/gini-index-of-the-united-kingdom/

@MarshaBradyo

I think that will change and worsen again now.

There's no denying wealth inequality is completely out of control.

And underfunding produces its own inefficiencies.
Jobs such as bed managers in the NHS did not use to exist. It was only when bed shortages started happening that they became necessary. Social Services and hospitals spend a lot of money trying to arrange care packages for people who do not need to be in hospital, and that involves a lot of phoning around trying to find vacancies in acre homes or enough carers. It is very wasteful.

It’s not out of control if it’s decreasing but in 2007 it was high and heading towards US levels, but luckily reversed over the next decade and a half

But yes throwing grenades like lockdowns and strikes at the economy are concerning, it won’t help the lower to middle

So conservative governments have improved wealth inequalities ? Maybe it took a labour administration 10 years to improve things ? Austerity certainly didn’t help left behind areas that’s for sure….

I live in a Devolved Wales with Labour in charge since year dot. Worst NHS waiting lists, times, ambulance call out times in the whole of the UK. Our literacy rates are the worst in the UK by a long way.
We have spent £50m on an airport for it now to be worth £23m and the main international airline to pull out due to the Welsh Gov handling of the contract.
We have Transport For Wales nationalised trains, that run behind every metric they are measured on.

So it is not a Tory issue, Labour are not much better. Not sure who to turn to!

@MarshaBradyo

Yeah I'm not sure how you can look at those links I posted and say things are improving

and keep blaming the wrong people

Hate to say it but certain folk always pop up on these type of threads and surreptitiously back the tories. Not outright headbangers like Clavinova but in the background quietly going about their business. Weird that ….

I’ve posted economic figures - you can debate why you don’t agree if you want I do t care

As usual people resort to insults

Like I said it’s an area of interest, if people can’t discuss without personal attacks sod them quite frankly.

@MarshaBradyo

Do you mean me?

I havent insulted or attacked you.

Like this

Nothing to add but base level personal insult

It’s a shame but economics as a subject is low priority unfortunately.

It’s a chart that shows inequality

You are welcome to build out other arguments but on raw figures it didn’t back up what you were saying

That's appalling. People are entitled to have opinions different from yours and to back whichever party they choose. You may feel they are misguided, as do I, but nobody should have to feel they have to hide their beliefs from you. Otherwise there'd be no debate about anything.

To be transparent I am a floating voter and actually voted for Blair, like many did. I judge on policies at each election and have no loyalty, deciding at the time.

I would like to discuss economics on here without personal attack but as ever it is impossible.

It’s a shame and people should read up rather than insult down imo

@MarshaBradyo

The 3 links I posted absolutely back up that wealth inequality (globally) is getting worse

Im not sure whats to be gained by denying it.

I can only presume its some kind of self protection thing

If we tackle the billionaires then who's next? Me?!

Its easier to blame the public sector or those on the lowest wages.

Despite the blindingly obvious that doing so achieves nothing

Am I missing posts?

What appealing insults have there been?

I have always wondered this can someone from
the public sector explain this to me.

If a pay grade band was 20k to 30k with 10 tiers

If you are at the bottom of your band on £20k do you work up those tiers over 10 years automatically? After 10 years would you be on 20k or 30k?

When public sectors say no one has had a payrise is that the top band width hasn’t moved and people at the top of their band can’t earn more, or is everyone on the exact same salary?

I quoted it below it’s not you Top

Anyway there’s less and less of this site which is free from echo chamber aggression sadly.

Hard to have a debate. I’m putting forward a POV which people are welcome to debate.

Otherwise more insults and lower insight - there’s a thread on site stuff saying the same.

@MarshaBradyo

Surreptitiously a tory is a terrible insult?

Really?

Rail workers (other than those working for freight or open access operators) are de facto public sector workers. Rail "privatisation" is a sham.

Top Yep snide personal comments and little ability to debate. it’s not what I’m here for

You might like it up to you

Take a look at the site stuff thread people are stopping posting as people are so keen to keep echo chambers going

fine, all the threads will be the same people agreeing like a few already are

anyway re links I’ll come back to it when not irritated

Do you have any idea how much money the government wasted on PPE contracts? They are now planning to burn millions of pounds worth of PPE that will expire before it can be used. So I would disagree that there is no magic money tree, there is when it comes to tories awarding multi million pound contracts to their chums. They also manage to give themselves a nice payrise year on year, higher than any other public servants.

@MarshaBradyo

I've seen waaaayy worse.

I've been a member of forums for 15 years. Accusations of pa's and echo Chambers are part and parcel of all discussion sites

As it goes, MN is quite tame and pretty old fashioned

Just adding to this, lots of taxation receipts will go up with inflation, if goods are 10% more expensive then the government will be getting 10% more VAT so to refuse to revisit a budget set when inflation was predicted at 3% now that inflation is 9.1% doesn’t make much sense.

In addition to this suppressing wages when inflation isn’t being driven by increased spending will lead to recession. This government have totally mismanaged the economy and continue to make really poor decisions about it.

Top Yep I’m sure there’s worse, I don’t bother with any of that, I have zero appetite for the slinging that goes on elsewhere. I’ve been here ages too btw

Still it’s lowering content - quantity and quality. Fine I’ll just avoid echo chamber threads I just hide them already anyway.