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Grabbed on tube but I escalated

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Somemenarewankers · 20/06/2022 09:19

I'm shaking a bit because I hate confrontation (and also wouldn't have acted the same way if I'd had more than 4 hours sleep).
Got on the tube just before doors closed (not at the beep beep beep) and the bit by the door wasn't too crowded for that time, which was pleasant. However, found myself suddenly standing in between the seats and realised I'd literally been moved there - hand on each shoulder. I don't quite know how he did it, but my shoulders were smarting.
I turned round and saw this enormous man - about 6'7 - staring at me and realised he'd moved me like a lamp. I shouted "You can't touch me!" or something gutters. I've got quite a rough history and the thought of strange men touching me makes me lose my mind.

He started shouting back in my face that I was too close (with insults (whore etc)). I said something then decided to de-escalate, particularly as it was only one stop.

But then I got irate that this man was walking around feeling he could just move women around roughly and shout at them. I did something stupid - tried to take a surreptitious photo. He grabbed my phone and threw it and lunged I think. Other passengers intervened- if you're reading this THANK YOU - especially to the woman who told me where to walk. I needed clear instructions!
So - WIBU to escalate a situation with a clearly unstable man and ruin loads of nice peoples mornings?

OP posts:
SherbetDips · 20/06/2022 15:07

@Herejustforthisone I don’t think I’ve apologised 😂 think your mistaken,

SherbetDips · 20/06/2022 15:10

@MarieIVanArkleStinks London is full of rude people who will push and shove on the tube. I’m afraid I don’t really want to risk getting stabbed or worse because some idiot pushed me. I’d rather roll my eyes and get on with my day.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 20/06/2022 16:34

SherbetDips · 20/06/2022 15:10

@MarieIVanArkleStinks London is full of rude people who will push and shove on the tube. I’m afraid I don’t really want to risk getting stabbed or worse because some idiot pushed me. I’d rather roll my eyes and get on with my day.

Fair point. Women do have to risk assess every single time we are faced with one of these situations, which could end in being extremely dangerous for us. I'm reminded of the saying 'men are afraid women will laugh at them; women are afraid men will kill them'. That's a justifiable fear.

The thought of just calmly accepting that this is the sort of shit that happens to us on a regular basis, that we just need to shrug it off, roll our eyes and get on with it because of The Patriarchy - all tantamount to an acceptance that we are the subordinate species - does admittedly make me see red.

As does the fact that women who report this harassment so often find ourselves ignored. We'll just put up and shut up, is the assumption. Sadly, it's mostly right.

AchatAVendre · 20/06/2022 17:17

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 20/06/2022 16:34

Fair point. Women do have to risk assess every single time we are faced with one of these situations, which could end in being extremely dangerous for us. I'm reminded of the saying 'men are afraid women will laugh at them; women are afraid men will kill them'. That's a justifiable fear.

The thought of just calmly accepting that this is the sort of shit that happens to us on a regular basis, that we just need to shrug it off, roll our eyes and get on with it because of The Patriarchy - all tantamount to an acceptance that we are the subordinate species - does admittedly make me see red.

As does the fact that women who report this harassment so often find ourselves ignored. We'll just put up and shut up, is the assumption. Sadly, it's mostly right.

Aggressors love easy victims they don't think will find back. That is their ideal victim. Dissuade them of that and you are less likely to be attacked.

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