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What do you think would be an appropriate response/rectification to this email?

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intheguf · 19/06/2022 17:20

Hello,

I’d like to make a complaint. I booked a table for ten people at your establishment for 8pm - Saturday, 18th June. I paid the 50 pound deposit over the phone and I asked the woman how the deposit is paid back, she replied that it would be paid back in vouchers to be spent in your establishment. I’d asked if there was any chance I could get it back in cash as would be simpler for me. She replied that she would ask her manager, which she did whilst I was on the phone, and the manager said that it was fine to pay me back cash.

Turned up on the night, all fine, table was fine etc. Went to the bar and asked about deposit at which point was given vouchers. I explained to the girl behind the bar that I was to get cash. She said she remembered speaking to me on the phone and fetched the manager.

I’m not sure of the managers name, but he was wearing a white shirt and had an ear piece in and I think his name begins with ‘A’ but could be wrong - he stated he was the only manager of your establishment. The manager came over in a really aggressive manner and denied that he had ever agreed to give me my deposit back in cash even though the girl behind the bar confirmed that she had taken the phone call and he had authorised that. I said to the manager that if he didn’t authorise it then he needs to speak to his staff about giving out misinformation. At this point he came close to my face and said ‘what do I need to tell my staff?’ and repeated this several times in a really aggressive manner. I felt very intimidated and uncomfortable to the point I just agreed to take the vouchers as I dislike confrontation and just wanted the situation to be over. I used 30 pounds of the vouchers and am now left with a 20 pound voucher which I won’t get the use out of due to the fact that I won’t be returning to your establishment after this experience.

If your policy is to return deposits via vouchers then that is fair enough, but it should have never been agreed to if that is the case. Your manager made out that I was a liar along with his member of staff that was serving behind the bar. That along with his aggressive mannerisms and the way in which he dealt with a paying customer is totally unacceptable. I left shortly afterwards as I felt so uncomfortable. If cash deposit return hadn’t been agreed then I could have booked elsewhere or worked something out with my group. However, I’ve now been left £50 out of pocket due to this.

It was my 30th birthday and I really just wanted to celebrate with my friends and this really put a dampener on the night. I am so disappointed as I have only ever had great experiences with your establishment but the customer service I received last night is the worst I have ever experienced unfortunately.

Kind regards

OP posts:
driedgrassinavase · 19/06/2022 17:33

So are you the manager of this place?

intheguf · 19/06/2022 17:35

I'm the owner and not sure how to respond. Manager is claiming he never authorised cash return.

OP posts:
DenholmElliot1 · 19/06/2022 17:37

Your manager is lying to you.

I'd do a damage limitation sharpish if i were you. Profuse apology and something for free.

MrsRinaDecker · 19/06/2022 17:37

I’m not clear who you are in this scenario? But I think the deposit policy needs to be changed (not even sure it’s legal) and the aggressive manager should get a warning or possibly even dismissed if witnesses / cctv back up the complaint. If it was your birthday and you’re writing the email, you should absolutely be getting your money back.

girlmom21 · 19/06/2022 17:37

Was this the worst attempt at a reverse ever?

Do you have CCTV?

I'd probably refund the £50 and sack the manager.

intheguf · 19/06/2022 17:38

DenholmElliot1 · 19/06/2022 17:37

Your manager is lying to you.

I'd do a damage limitation sharpish if i were you. Profuse apology and something for free.

Why would I assume my staff member is lying rather than customer to get some free drinks?

OP posts:
mirrorballer · 19/06/2022 17:38

intheguf · 19/06/2022 17:35

I'm the owner and not sure how to respond. Manager is claiming he never authorised cash return.

Just give her the £50 quid and a voucher. It's not worth the hassle of them trashing you all over social media for the sake of that amount of cash.
She paid in cash, she should get it back in cash so it's a shitty policy.

If I'd been the customer I'd have probably got my mates to 'buy' a tenner of the voucher each to put against their drinks but it's a lot of faff.

BeingATwatItsABingThing · 19/06/2022 17:38

intheguf · 19/06/2022 17:35

I'm the owner and not sure how to respond. Manager is claiming he never authorised cash return.

It’s irrelevant if he did or not. My main concern would be his behaviour towards another human. Not acceptable.

I’d reply to the customer and offer her her £50 deposit back in cash.

RandomMess · 19/06/2022 17:39

Just spend her the £20 back as a cheque/bank transfer and apologise.

DenholmElliot1 · 19/06/2022 17:39

The customer wasn't asking for free drinks. she was asking for her deposit back.

mirrorballer · 19/06/2022 17:39

@inthegu she wasn't trying to get free drinks, she wanted her deposit back in the method she paid for it which is absolutely reasonable.

girlmom21 · 19/06/2022 17:40

Why would I assume my staff member is lying rather than customer to get some free drinks?

Because your other staff member has confirmed it?

Orchidflower1 · 19/06/2022 17:42

Do you have cctv to see if the manager was aggressive? How long has he worked for you @intheguf ?

You know what your manager is like to you but do you know what he like when you’re not there?
Going forward why can’t deposits be paid on a card and refunded to the same card?

KatherineofGaunt · 19/06/2022 17:43

Seems mean to take cash for a deposit then only give vouchers back. Your policy is at fault here! I'd reply by apologising, saying you will refund her the further £20 and that the policy will be changed.

purplecorkheart · 19/06/2022 17:43

I assume if the person paid over the phone then they used a credit card or debit card. The deposit should have been refunded the same way as it was paid. I would be contacting Trading Standards if you tried refunding me in vouchers for a deposit.

Palavah · 19/06/2022 17:43

Have you heard of 'the customer is always right'?

I'd apologise that they had to contact you over this and offer to return the deposit in cash.

Bit sus to be taking deposits and then returning them in vouchers tbh.

Nix32 · 19/06/2022 17:43

That's an appalling policy. You refund her the money and change your policy immediately.

Spidey66 · 19/06/2022 17:45

I think OP received email, rather than sent it, in which case she is the manager or staff of the establishment. In which case I agree with the customer. The deposit shouldn't be given back as vouchers.

Discovereads · 19/06/2022 17:45

purplecorkheart · 19/06/2022 17:43

I assume if the person paid over the phone then they used a credit card or debit card. The deposit should have been refunded the same way as it was paid. I would be contacting Trading Standards if you tried refunding me in vouchers for a deposit.

Me too.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 19/06/2022 17:46

Try asking the staff member who isn't alleged to have been verbally and physically intimidating towards a customer?

When she confirms he had told her it was OK, make sure she's alright and send the customer a full refund of everything they spent.

Then start the recruitment process for a new manager - maybe that staff member would be interested in being trained up for promotion?

Danni677 · 19/06/2022 17:47

Of course you should return it as cash. Giving it back in vouchers is absolutely outrageous. If you have a minimum spend, take card details.

BritWifeInUSA · 19/06/2022 17:48

If you’re the owner, how can you possibly think that policy is gone? It sounds unethical, at best, and possibly illegal to “force” a customer to buy vouchers. Which is what you have done - you’ve forced her to buy a 50-quid voucher in order to patronize your business. Unbelievable! It could even be seen as money laundering - taking card payments and giving in-store vouchers in return instead of deducting it from the balance. Would you book a holiday that wanted a card deposit from you but didn’t deduct it from the cost of the holiday but instead gave you a voucher to use for another holiday?

comealongponds · 19/06/2022 17:49

I’m not sure you should be running a business if you need to turn to MN to know how to deal with a complaint.

comealongponds · 19/06/2022 17:49

And your deposit/voucher refund policy is bizarre

driedgrassinavase · 19/06/2022 17:49

what did your manager have to say about the fact he squared up to a customer?