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Tradesman chasing for payment

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CharlesIsQueensHorcrux · 19/06/2022 11:24

Hi - I had a tradesman in last week, finished Friday & invoiced Friday night with email and message. Since then has messaged another five times chasing me! By the way I wasn’t ignoring him I messaged back saying I was out but would deal. Is it me or is he unreasonable to chase me all weekend for an invoice issued on Friday night? I was happy with the work but not sure now I would use him again as I feel a bit ick like there’s a suggestion I wouldn’t pay or something. Aibu?

OP posts:
oakleaffy · 19/06/2022 15:37

GCRich · 19/06/2022 15:31

Where did OP say what was agreed?

You sound like a tardy payer as well.
Pay anyone on presentation of invoice immediately, be it £60 or £16k

You know the people need payment- so why dither and make them wait?

If the job can’t be paid for, don’t get it done!

Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/06/2022 15:44

DameHelena · 19/06/2022 12:05

Christ, I should get into a trade!
I freelance in a very different area, and my invoice terms are 30 days. I still seem to spend half my working life chasing late payments. On occasion it's been two or three months between invoice and payment.

So from that point of view, he's being pushy.
But if he stated his terms then you should abide by them.

So change your payment terms to 7 days if that's what you prefer.
Tradespeople are usually payment on completion

sunglassesonthetable · 19/06/2022 15:47

*You sound like a tardy payer as well.
Pay anyone on presentation of invoice immediately, be it £60 or £16k
*

What about snagging on the £16 k one?

liveforsummer · 19/06/2022 15:49

We aren't talking about large companies doing large scale jobs for high costs though. That's different

GCRich · 19/06/2022 15:49

liveforsummer · 19/06/2022 15:35

I agree completely. If I was employing unrelated people I would take my pay-days extremely seriously... but I'd also hope that my employees had financial buffers and understood that delays sometimes happen.

I'd hope to have a financial buffer too - but I don't. It be in big trouble if I find they paid on time and simply couldn't afford to be understanding

No, I get that. What makes your position tougher is tha your boss might fail to pay you on time for reasons entirely out of their control, such as an internet connection outage or problem with the bank on payday.

liveforsummer · 19/06/2022 15:50

No, I get that. What makes your position tougher is tha your boss might fail to pay you on time for reasons entirely out of their control, such as an internet connection outage or problem with the bank on payday.

It would still be a huge problem but more understandable then didn't have time ...

LongPath · 19/06/2022 15:50

I think you need to pay a tradesman promptly, but Monday for an invoice issued on Friday is prompt.

Comefromaway · 19/06/2022 15:51

*see you run do or have been self-employed. Do you find that clients appreciate being chased for money multiple times within 24-48 hours of an invoice being issued, or do you find that you are less likely to get repeat business if you come across as a pain in the arse? Do you find that customers trust you les if they think you're right on the breadline and need cash instantaneously?

If you require payment literally immediately upon issuing an invoice do you make this EXPLICITLY clear at the outset so that the customer can put things into place to enable immediate payment (eg get cash out in advance, or set up payment details in advance?)*

I’m no longer self employed but I used to run kids after school classes. I requested a deposit to secure a place. This covered the first two sessions. The invoice was issued on confirmation of the place with the balance due in full 14 days after the date of the first session. A reminder was issued after 7 days. All made explicitly clear on the paperwork.

Dh is a private tutor. He generally takes cash each lesson as it’s a small amount or some will pay by bank transfer. He sends the invoice and expects payment within 24 hours if a weekday or the next working day if a weekend. But it’s less than £50 so much easier to set up new payees.

When my dad was self employed he would issue an invoice (or rather he’d get my mum to). His invoices stated Payment now due and customers would be chased after 7 days depending on how the invoice was sent. He still now sends a lot of invoices out by post & he still accepts cheques! He doesn’t get domestic customers email addresses. Back in the day he used to have a duplicate invoice pad he’d write them out on and give them to the customer on leaving. Sometimes he would request cash on completion but that would have been stated in advance and he’d have an invoice prepared or have issued a pro-forma.

He wouldn’t have dreamed of chasing a customer over the weekend or a bank holiday. That looks unprofessional.

The joiner who fitted my kitchen recently requested cash on completion. But he gave me plenty of notice so me and Dh could arrange it (we can only take £250 per day out of the cash point).

sunglassesonthetable · 19/06/2022 15:51

We aren't talking about large companies doing large scale jobs for high costs though. That's different

Round here tradesmen get paid a lot of money. jobs often cost more than 1K or so.

We're not talking about someone washing the windows.

GCRich · 19/06/2022 15:52

oakleaffy · 19/06/2022 15:37

You sound like a tardy payer as well.
Pay anyone on presentation of invoice immediately, be it £60 or £16k

You know the people need payment- so why dither and make them wait?

If the job can’t be paid for, don’t get it done!

So you'd pay someone immediately even if you were driving on a motorway or asleep when the email came in. STOP LYING.

oakleaffy · 19/06/2022 15:53

sunglassesonthetable · 19/06/2022 15:47

*You sound like a tardy payer as well.
Pay anyone on presentation of invoice immediately, be it £60 or £16k
*

What about snagging on the £16 k one?

It’s checked as job goes along.
in building terms, 16k is usually a stage payment anyway.

LongPath · 19/06/2022 15:53

Surely if OP pays over the weekend he won't get the money until Moday anyway?

For most trades' work I'd want a day or two to make sure the work is OK. IME it's much easier to get them back to fix something if you haven't paid.

liveforsummer · 19/06/2022 15:54

The high price of a small job won't make it harder to check though. A snagging list on a new build obviously takes time to compile so is a different situation

liveforsummer · 19/06/2022 15:54

LongPath · 19/06/2022 15:53

Surely if OP pays over the weekend he won't get the money until Moday anyway?

For most trades' work I'd want a day or two to make sure the work is OK. IME it's much easier to get them back to fix something if you haven't paid.

Why not? Bank transfers are instant. They do say it can take up to 2 hours but never had that happen

sunglassesonthetable · 19/06/2022 15:54

For most trades' work I'd want a day or two to make sure the work is OK. IME it's much easier to get them back to fix something if you haven't paid.

This. ☝️

Comefromaway · 19/06/2022 15:55

Thinking about it my dad has quite a few elderly customers who don’t even have internet banking.

Cervinia · 19/06/2022 15:55

I bet YOURE not self employed OP.

i always pay when the works done immediately, I don’t walk out of Tesco and tell them I’ll bank transfer them in two weeks either.

maybe he’s relying on your money to pay for materials for the next job.

Comefromaway · 19/06/2022 15:55

And my mum doesn’t have a personal email address (or a smart phone).

GCRich · 19/06/2022 15:56

LongPath · 19/06/2022 15:50

I think you need to pay a tradesman promptly, but Monday for an invoice issued on Friday is prompt.

This. As an under-20-word summary, you've nailed it.

Subject to the caveats about snagging, and the caveat that I'd regard one to four weeks as fine if the person hasn't specified the payments terms expicitly at outset.

Comefromaway · 19/06/2022 15:56

Cervinia · 19/06/2022 15:55

I bet YOURE not self employed OP.

i always pay when the works done immediately, I don’t walk out of Tesco and tell them I’ll bank transfer them in two weeks either.

maybe he’s relying on your money to pay for materials for the next job.

Because Tesco have card machines.

Comefromaway · 19/06/2022 15:57

GCRich · 19/06/2022 15:56

This. As an under-20-word summary, you've nailed it.

Subject to the caveats about snagging, and the caveat that I'd regard one to four weeks as fine if the person hasn't specified the payments terms expicitly at outset.

Totally agree.

Sugarplumfairy65 · 19/06/2022 15:58

GirlOfTudor · 19/06/2022 13:51

All these nasty messages saying you should've paid him immediately are ridiculous!
Most of the time I pay immediately, but sometimes if I'm busy with other stuff or it's a large payment, I have to brace myself and can take a couple of days before I pay.
I wouldn't take it personally though, he's likely broke and has urgent bills/debt to pay, or he's had customers who haven't paid at all and now he has a rule to be strict about payment.
Honestly, if the work is good and he is a decent person, use him again. Decent tradesmen are hard to find.

If hes a decent tradesman he will refuse any jobs from op again. Good tradesmen are snowed under with work and can pick and choose their customers.
I've had a lot of work done on my house over the last year and I always check the work done and pay them before they leave or on receipt of the invoice

GCRich · 19/06/2022 15:58

Cervinia · 19/06/2022 15:55

I bet YOURE not self employed OP.

i always pay when the works done immediately, I don’t walk out of Tesco and tell them I’ll bank transfer them in two weeks either.

maybe he’s relying on your money to pay for materials for the next job.

You might not have noticed, but at least two or three people on this thread who are self-employed or who run their own business who agree 100% with OP.

oakleaffy · 19/06/2022 15:58

GCRich · 19/06/2022 15:52

So you'd pay someone immediately even if you were driving on a motorway or asleep when the email came in. STOP LYING.

I have never kept anyone waiting for money.
I agree a payment date on completion and get cash out or do a bank transfer.
As most decent people do who want to retain good relationships with good trades.

Reliable trades are like gold dust, and expect to be paid on time out of respect.

I can say hand on heart I have never made a Tradesperson wait for money, be it for materials or work done.

liveforsummer · 19/06/2022 15:58

This. As an under-20-word summary, you've nailed it.

Except it didn't as invoice cleat said payment within a day. Monday from Friday is not within a day