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AIBU or is baby name cultural appropriation a thing?

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WideOpenSpaces · 17/06/2022 01:42

I'm ready to be told I'm being silly BUT am I right in thinking there's a level of.. appropriateness? Inappropriateness? In using names from other cultures.
For example.. would it be strange for an English couple with no discernible links to any other countries or heritage to name their child Priya, Otto, Etienne or Niamh, among many other names.
To be honest I flip backwards and forwards between thinking there are so many lovely names in the world, why shouldn't they be used by whoever likes them, and then that it's just a bit strange if no link!
Happy to discuss, I have no strong feeling either way just intrigued to see what opinions there are.

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Geneviev · 17/06/2022 22:35

SummerPuddings · 17/06/2022 07:46

@Simonjt well imo it's funny because it kind of demonstrates the point that names don't belong to one culture.

You definitely thought he was joking then had a crafty wee google, didn’t ya 😂

LesGiselle · 17/06/2022 22:46

The only time I recall thinking anything along those lines was a MN thread years and years ago, where a non-Jewish poster wanted to call their son Cohen. Nothing would dissuade them, I recall. On the thread anyway!

pixie5121 · 17/06/2022 22:51

My sister was weirdly worried about this when she had her daughter. She thought a Spanish name would be weird even though we're half Spanish and speak the language. She said it would be 'too far back' and it would be silly for the kid to have a Spanish first name and British last name. So odd. I think if there's a family connection, even back as far as grandparents, it's absolutely fine. If no connection, a bit odd but I don't think it's really appropriation either. There are loads of Amelies and Elodies around and Francesca has been big for years.

Littlecaf · 17/06/2022 23:15

Oh gosh, doesn’t it just depend on what the parents like and how appropriate it is in that context?!

My partner and I named our children after family names. Names that have been used in previous generations and we are British. One of those names is one mentioned in the OP. But it’s a family name that DPs grandfather was called. The other is also a family name but is an Irish - in fact THE most common Irish name for boys - but it’s also my uncles name and is also Celtic and English. And we’re English so…..?

Are we all just not mixes of our ancestors?

Thatswhyimacat · 17/06/2022 23:31

I feel like this is one of those unspoken things where noone is ever specifically told where the line is but most know it naturally. Hence why people naturally seem to feel that Luca is ok but Mohammed is weird. You can never come up with a comprehensive list of what is right and what is wrong, but people just socially get it.

imnotwhoyouthinkiam · 18/06/2022 07:09

SnackSizeRaisin · 17/06/2022 21:39

Eh? No it's not. Joshua is a separate name. Jesus is known as Jesus in English versions of the Bible.

They are both translations of the Hebrew name Yeshua.

WhatNoRaisins · 18/06/2022 07:39

Rhodora · 17/06/2022 11:44

Aldith or Edric anyone? If we all only use names from our own culture then these may still have been popular today. Instead we have an amazing and huge choice of names.

Apart from a few like Cohen and Saoirse which have obvious strong religious or political associations I wouldn’t consider any name off limits. As a caveat to that I believe that if you are using a name from another culture you should make an effort to pronounce it the way the you have taken it from do.

Maybe after the granny chic trend the next naming trend will be Anglo-Saxon names once the current young generation start having children.

Muppetryofthepenis · 18/06/2022 07:44

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stuntbubbles · 18/06/2022 07:56

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Neither of those examples are appropriation. Appropriation would be doing yoga and saying “namaste” at the end, divorcing the word from its original meaning and use in order to exoticise your whiteness. Or claiming to be the world’s sushi expert when you’re not Japanese, and benefiting financially and otherwise from your sushi expertise as the expense of Japanese people.

The right to self expression really isn’t king when your self expression can cause harm or detriment to others.

Trainbear · 18/06/2022 08:10

Sceptre86 · 17/06/2022 14:32

I don't see the issue tbh as long as the name isn't a religious name. Dd1 has a Turkish name dd2 has an Iranian name. We aren't from either culture but are Muslim. We based our decision based on the meanings of the name, well dh did as he chose our dd's names and I chose our son's.

I do love the names Isaac, Joseph, Gabriel but am Muslim so wouldn't use them, I could use the equivalent name but then it sounds different so wouldn't.

Naming your children is a personal choice though so I wouldn't judge.

But in Islam these people are prophets. Jibril / Gabriel, Nua / Noah, Isa /Jesus so no reason on Islam not to.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 18/06/2022 08:16

This is a very interesting thread for me, learning the different origins of the names of many of my DC friends and neighbours DC.

I have misspelled Jibril many times as Jubril. I love the name.

Trixiefirecracker · 18/06/2022 09:13

@LesGiselle Cohen also has Irish roots.

MigsandTiggs · 18/06/2022 09:24

stuntbubbles · 18/06/2022 07:56

Neither of those examples are appropriation. Appropriation would be doing yoga and saying “namaste” at the end, divorcing the word from its original meaning and use in order to exoticise your whiteness. Or claiming to be the world’s sushi expert when you’re not Japanese, and benefiting financially and otherwise from your sushi expertise as the expense of Japanese people.

The right to self expression really isn’t king when your self expression can cause harm or detriment to others.

I’ve just read that the word “namaste” has no single translation in English so please explain why saying it within the context of practicing yoga creates harm or disrespect to others. Why does someone from a different culture becoming an expert in an aspect of a foreign culture signal cultural appropriation to you? Non-Japanese Sumo wrestlers spring to mind; non Koreans teaching Taekwon Do…
How about all the non- Trinidadians playing the steelband at the Platinum Jubilee parade? As someone with a very multi-cultural background, I personally think accusations of cultural appropriation are from ppl with a misplaced sense of offence. There are more serious things in the world to focus on.

Gusfringrules · 18/06/2022 09:24

Unlike France, in the UK, You can name your child wharever the fuck you want to; however, this means we have 'Chardonnay' 'Paris', 'Chyanne' and other such car crashes.
But, it is a free country, and a free country allows freedom of expression
More important issues in the world

georgarina · 18/06/2022 09:47

stuntbubbles · 18/06/2022 07:56

Neither of those examples are appropriation. Appropriation would be doing yoga and saying “namaste” at the end, divorcing the word from its original meaning and use in order to exoticise your whiteness. Or claiming to be the world’s sushi expert when you’re not Japanese, and benefiting financially and otherwise from your sushi expertise as the expense of Japanese people.

The right to self expression really isn’t king when your self expression can cause harm or detriment to others.

This is just stupid. There's nothing wrong with saying namaste after yoga ffs.

Runciblefork · 18/06/2022 09:57

I do so wish I could meet someone who thinks namaste is cultural appropriation. I only ever encounter sane, rational people. It would be such fun to be around people this earnest and frankly, nuts 😀😀😀

WhatNoRaisins · 18/06/2022 10:00

Cultural appropriation really shouldn't be applied to ordinary boring people just doing their own thing. I don't think it's anyone's business what you say after yoga.

TheKeatingFive · 18/06/2022 10:11

Wasn't there a US college that banned or wanted to ban sushi? 😂

stuntbubbles · 18/06/2022 10:12

MigsandTiggs · 18/06/2022 09:24

I’ve just read that the word “namaste” has no single translation in English so please explain why saying it within the context of practicing yoga creates harm or disrespect to others. Why does someone from a different culture becoming an expert in an aspect of a foreign culture signal cultural appropriation to you? Non-Japanese Sumo wrestlers spring to mind; non Koreans teaching Taekwon Do…
How about all the non- Trinidadians playing the steelband at the Platinum Jubilee parade? As someone with a very multi-cultural background, I personally think accusations of cultural appropriation are from ppl with a misplaced sense of offence. There are more serious things in the world to focus on.

Try this: amp.smh.com.au/lifestyle/why-white-people-need-to-stop-saying-namaste-20160401-gnw2xx.html

or this: www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/01/17/406246770/how-namaste-flew-away-from-us

BigFatLiar · 18/06/2022 11:02

Just call your children whatever you want, someone somewhere will turn up to be offended.

malificent7 · 18/06/2022 11:04

I think this is woke gone mad tbh. Plenty of names are borrowed from different cultures.

HazelEyedHeather · 18/06/2022 11:10

Call your babies whatever you like.

WhatNoRaisins · 18/06/2022 11:10

I just question does anything good come from being offended by someone enjoying something from a different culture. Very few people are going to be making money or gaining large amounts of admiration from doing so.

Do we really want to live in a world of people in their little boxes only allowed to do/say/wear their cultural things? Sounds like a really boring and insular world.

ElephantsFart · 18/06/2022 11:15

The idea of Cultural appropriation is fair for exploration but can be corrosive in practice - thoughtful people are afraid to engage with things that aren’t from their culture and worry endlessly about causing offence, and people who appropriate cultures to make money or satisfy their own wants are thick skinned and it won’t stop them. Has anyone else noticed this?

ElephantsFart · 18/06/2022 11:18

WhatNoRaisins · 18/06/2022 11:10

I just question does anything good come from being offended by someone enjoying something from a different culture. Very few people are going to be making money or gaining large amounts of admiration from doing so.

Do we really want to live in a world of people in their little boxes only allowed to do/say/wear their cultural things? Sounds like a really boring and insular world.

I agree, and as someone whose heritage spans several cultures but looks white British, where does it leave people like me?

We’ve got to just use a bit of common sense. My white male friend used to sell a specific ethnic food in the UK, he spent years in the country learning his craft, he is a fine ambassador for the culture the food is from and has been embraced by the expat community from that country. He says it wouldn’t be viable today, because criticism from (white middle class) potential customers about cultural appropriation and not being invited to cater at events because his ethnicity does not match his food. It’s this kind of thing that gives ammunition to the far right.