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To think wealthy people will leave Scotland?

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Juniperberries25 · 16/06/2022 08:09

..if the YES side win a referendum? Surely a lot of successful businesses and people who are wealthy/ comfortable/ have paid into a pension will not want to risk all their assets becoming worthless? Or am I missing something? Higher taxes, unknown currency, economic uncertainty, hard border, national security concerns etc

It would cost BILLIONS to set up new Government bodies (eg DVLA, Passport office, MI5, MI6, Amy Navy, RAF to name a few) so surely taxes will be much, much higher than rest of the UK?

Just to clarify I am NOT a fan of Boris but surely he will be long gone by the time Scotland actually became independent after YES vote (probably at least 10 years, just look at the BREXIT timeline).

Please don't flame me, I am just wondering what people think as I genuinely don't get how the benefits outweigh the risks.

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Chilledchablis · 17/06/2022 17:53

We are just a few miles from the border and would certainly consider a move if the snp got in. They are not popular in this neck of the woods and seem unable to run a bath let alone a country. The place is a shambles and that's with access to the Westminster money pit. God help us without it! My worry is the effect on property prices if people leave in droves.
BTW we're both Scots who also think we are British.

Bard6817 · 17/06/2022 18:00

Just keep having referendum until scotland says yes.

Then they can either join the euro or create a currency, as they won’t be able to peg the Pound, as that’s not how currency traders will operate it.

Create the institutions, create the policies for a welfare state, a scottish nhs and of course moan that westminster spent all the oil money, and now it’s just a dribble off its natural resources that goes to the scottish parliament. It won’t change the price o fuel, make anything cost less or be any more money in the kitty to help people.

The only thing it will mean is more politicians. And one thing i’ve learnt in life, that’s to be avoided at all costs.

Rather concerning is the liberal / socialist govt that has free reign. The scottish people i know would despise that.

The wealthy already have much of their wealth outside scotland….

Had enough of referendums myself. Kinda just want Snp to burn.

Said, as a Scot who has left already.

Ofcourseandyouknowit · 17/06/2022 18:09

Danielle9891 · 17/06/2022 17:53

There will be a large impact. I personally would hate to have to use euros. I think it will damage the hospitality and tourism sector. And what will happen with the healthcare? Would it go like the south of Ireland?

What way is Ireland? Euros would probably be good for hospitality because more countries use it surely?

JackieWeaver101 · 17/06/2022 18:13

Bard6817 · Today 18:00
Rather concerning is the liberal / socialist govt that has free reign. The scottish people i know would despise that.

I think you mean 'free rein'.

Matildalamp · 17/06/2022 18:19

@Thebestwaytoscareatory
Everything you’ve said 👏

kidof71 · 17/06/2022 18:23

Stroopwaffels · 16/06/2022 08:25

Many will. Especially families like ours who are British not Scottish - DH is English, I'm Scottish, one kid born in each country.

We as a family are already paying more in tax than we would in any other part of the UK. A large part of the SNP support hate DH because of his accent and upbringing. They give it all the "oh we're welcoming to everyone! We love our English neighbours!" but we know it's not really true, many of them hate the English and think Braveheart was a documentary.

Northumberland coast or Antrim coast are currently top of our moving lists.

You are just not correct. I am Scottish, with an English mum who will be voting for independence. Please don’t do SNP/independence supporters a disservice. It really isn’t anything anti-English. That’s just a lazy, regurgitated argument. Kind of like the argument that all Brexiteers are racist I guess.
I too am in the higher tax band, as the tax bands were created to help those on lower incomes.

Whilst we are on the topic - I have received abuse for my Scottish accent whilst in Norwich. Which was fun.

kidof71 · 17/06/2022 18:25

Chilledchablis · 17/06/2022 17:53

We are just a few miles from the border and would certainly consider a move if the snp got in. They are not popular in this neck of the woods and seem unable to run a bath let alone a country. The place is a shambles and that's with access to the Westminster money pit. God help us without it! My worry is the effect on property prices if people leave in droves.
BTW we're both Scots who also think we are British.

Just curious,,,what is shambolic about Scotland? And they are ‘in’.

kidof71 · 17/06/2022 18:26

Trainbear · 16/06/2022 08:35

Yes xenophobia racism or hate is common in Scotland

Is it?

kidof71 · 17/06/2022 18:35

sst1234 · 16/06/2022 09:40

Surprised that people are not already leaving Scotland. Higher taxes, the health service is a bigger mess under SNP, educational outcomes are poorer, problems with drug deaths are drug misuse are well documented. What exactly the is draw or staying there, if you remove the family ties?

On a separate note, the Scottish population is in serious decline as the replacement rate is so low. Anyone you and fit would naturally move elsewhere unless you work in the North oil sector, which itself is struggling due to the restrictions new oil exploration.

Not looking like a good case for independence.

The draws? The 55 grand I get paid in the financial services sector in the city of Edinburgh. The top performing UK uni my son attends - St Andrews in Fife in Scotland in case you missed it. The green spaces. The food and drink industry., etc
You’re a complete charmer, aren’t you?

Iseestupidpeople · 17/06/2022 18:38

Surely it would be a good thing?

being part of the EU again, guarantee enough food etc through this and why would you need raf, mi5 or mi6 or an army? Are you planning to go to war?

passport office is there not already one up there? And it’s just a basic office set up. It’s out sourced as it is, might even get a better deal.

and why would it devalue pensions?

and people with pensions are not wealthy.

and what you think holyrood is? It’s a government set up. They make decisions, more sensible ones of that more often than not. Only the English government still suppress them.

so all in all I don’t think you understand how it works.

JackieWeaver101 · 17/06/2022 18:40

If some of the attitudes on this thread are anything to go by, I think the Scottish people would be better off going it alone.

WouldBeGood · 17/06/2022 18:41

We really wouldn’t.

WouldBeGood · 17/06/2022 18:42

Iseestupidpeople · 17/06/2022 18:38

Surely it would be a good thing?

being part of the EU again, guarantee enough food etc through this and why would you need raf, mi5 or mi6 or an army? Are you planning to go to war?

passport office is there not already one up there? And it’s just a basic office set up. It’s out sourced as it is, might even get a better deal.

and why would it devalue pensions?

and people with pensions are not wealthy.

and what you think holyrood is? It’s a government set up. They make decisions, more sensible ones of that more often than not. Only the English government still suppress them.

so all in all I don’t think you understand how it works.

This amount of ignorance is why I get fed up with the yes movement.

It just beggars belief.

kidof71 · 17/06/2022 18:43

No, they don’t. Expand on bailed out please

kidof71 · 17/06/2022 18:44

👏👏👏

Iseestupidpeople · 17/06/2022 18:44

Funny no one had those concerns about pulling out of Afghanistan!

MacmillanMO · 17/06/2022 18:45

rnsaslkih · 16/06/2022 08:48

I actually find it insane that the party is called Scottish nationalist and that people vote for it. A party who name themselves with reference to breaking up the union. Not “liberals” or “socialists” or “conservatives” but destroyers.

No, the SNP is not called nationalist … it’s the Scottish National Party. Just because the prime minister repeatedly calls it “Scottish nationalist” doesn’t make it true.
Btw, I’m not an SNP voter personally.

Oceanus · 17/06/2022 18:46

Public pensions are paid to the government via tax. In Scotland are they paid to Westminster who then sends the $$ back or are they paid directly to a Scottish institution?

ThistleTits · 17/06/2022 18:47

rnsaslkih · 16/06/2022 08:44

i think people in the border communities will leave. It’s relatively easy and not such a major upheaval to move a few miles across the border. I know someone who was poised to do this last time. I don’t think England is some sort of utopia, but I do think breaking up the home nations is counterproductive.

i have a savings account (not much - they won’t miss it lol) with a Scottish bank and if there is a referendum, I’ll move it even before the result. As I wouldn’t have money in an account that’s in a different country.

Your account may be in a local branch of a bank, they are all very much multi national now. Will not make an iota of a difference to the majority of account holders.

Limesaregreen · 17/06/2022 18:48

What’s the draw to staying there???? Erm that it’s actually quite a nice place!!!! Never far from open space; decent quality of life; the people are also mostly lovely and friendly??? How’s that for starters? Took DS to A&E recently and he was in and out within the hour?? Free prescriptions, free bus travel depending on ages??
it might not be your cup of tea @sst1234 but have you ever actually been there?

Lo0ps · 17/06/2022 18:49

WouldBeGood · 17/06/2022 18:42

This amount of ignorance is why I get fed up with the yes movement.

It just beggars belief.

Yet tarring everyone who would vote yes with the same brush is okay?

Iseestupidpeople · 17/06/2022 18:50

WouldBeGood · 17/06/2022 18:42

This amount of ignorance is why I get fed up with the yes movement.

It just beggars belief.

Well actually I have lived through a whole change of government affected shook systems and all and wasn’t that bad but then Europeans are much more efficient. You are rather ignorant of good organisational skills and robotics that could be used now. It’s not the 1980s anymore.

WouldBeGood · 17/06/2022 18:50

🤣

dadof3smallboys · 17/06/2022 18:50

Not read the entire thread but one thing that’s always struck me in Scotland is there’s no decent alternative to the SNP. I think all the major parties should stop putting up candidates and a new party the Scottish Unionist Party created as a straight up alternative.

WouldBeGood · 17/06/2022 18:51

More compelling arguments

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