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To be sick of "Crap Attempt At Neutrality" threads?

87 replies

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 12/06/2022 19:43

Admittedly I am a right grump atm, but this is really irritating me now.

Fucking Person A and Person B. Fucking I'm not saying which one I am as I want it to be impartial. Fucking let's call them Sarah and Paul.

Fuck OFF. It's usually glaringly obvious which one the OP is, or it's too vague (usually with a big drip feed later) to even tell what's actually going on. You can't present a neutral scenario because you aren't bloody neutral. You're posting in AIBU - am I being unreasonable? If you want to know if you are BU - just explain properly! Just say who you are and what's going on - if you are Person A you won't even have a full insight into Person B's mindset anyway.

I think these posters should be banned for life Grin also obvious reverse thread posters. Off you fuck. Go to Netmums or somewhere.

AIBU to feel this way?

OP posts:
SinnermanGirl · 13/06/2022 09:13

As soon as I get to the “Let’s call them…” I lose interest

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 13/06/2022 09:18

I also think (at risk of derailing) some people use "they" not just as a crap attempt to avoid saying the sex of person called, but as part of the new neutral pronouns craze (not quite the right word, sorry, bit tired today!) . The fact we all find it irritating shows the complete annoying pointlessness of this, as well as the more sinister end game of the erasure of the word and meaning of "woman". So we are all correct to find it grating.

On that note Wink I don't like the terms "confront" or "call out" why not just say "speak to". If you need to confront a friend, they're not actually a friend. Friends discuss. Save your confrontations for your MIL or SIL Grin (preferably after you have started a long thread about them without a single word of your DH/DPs point of view Wink)

OP posts:
WomanStanleyWoman2 · 13/06/2022 09:36

BarbaraofSeville · 13/06/2022 06:00

I find it amusing when someone uses they in a financial thread because it's fun to watch the assumptions people make and the knots they tie themselves in because they can't work out whether the person being complained about is a financially abusive man or a savvy woman.

Then every so often the reveal is that it's a same sex couple and people still keep posting about the selfish/abusive or spendthrift man, who doesn't even exist.

There was a great example of this a few weeks ago - I think it was about a couple attending a concert? The OP religiously stuck to ‘they’ throughout and there were literally dozens of posts refusing to give an opinion: just endless complaints about the use of ‘they’. It was like they (as in plural!) couldn’t possibly commit to a stance without knowing the gender of the partner; dying to slag off a man, but scared the OP’s partner might be a woman.

Some tried a very nicey-nicey ‘Are you worried about saying you are in a same-sex relationship, OP? Because you don’t need to be. This is a safe and completely anonymous space’ approach. Others went to the other extreme and ranted about how they would NEVER accept this gender neutral pronoun politically correct NONSENSE and that the OP was unreasonable purely on this basis. Those in between went for ‘But it’s sooooo confusing!’

Essentially, it all added up to ‘But I don’t know if it’s a man or woman so I can’t answer - and I reaaaaaallllly want to know!!!!’

ChicCroissant · 13/06/2022 09:46

Ah yes, those threads are a sure sign that the OP is manipulative, they don't even trust MN to give them an answer without manipulating the facts! The OP is always easy to spot as they are the saintly victim of the piece.

The OP of those threads are also the ones most likely to throw their toys out of the pram when not given one hundred percent agreement with their view and will develop 'privacy/IRL concerns' when it doesn't go their way.

Absolutely agree that reverse thread OPs should be hit with the permanent ban hammer straight away because of the attempted manipulation, same as the A and B threads. If you don't trust the answer, don't ask - not everyone will agree with you.

TheWeeDonkey · 13/06/2022 10:18

Sarahcoggles · 12/06/2022 23:51

And if you dare to ask what the hobby is, you're shut down.
"Please don't ask what the hobby is, it's too outing".

For some reason I always imagine historical re-enactments!! No idea why!

These days I just assume it's dogging or part of the upside-down pineapple society. 😂

FiveNineFive · 13/06/2022 10:23

TheWeeDonkey · 13/06/2022 10:18

These days I just assume it's dogging or part of the upside-down pineapple society. 😂

I assume poodle juggling

DashboardConfessional · 13/06/2022 10:26

The worst? Name threads.

If you aren't going to say the terrible baby name you want that everyone hates, I don't want to read your stupid thread, because if it's Elphaba you are U and if it's Rose you are not U.

knittingaddict · 13/06/2022 10:30

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 12/06/2022 19:52

Oh don't get me started on they Grin

Also, the YABU/YANBU answer is usually hugely dictated by something really important like Person B's job or health, but no details are given about this because it's outing.

I was listening to an episode of the podcast Something Was Wrong the other day. The children mentioned had names that I can 100% guarantee weren't their real names as it was a sensitive story. The person telling the story either used their names (which were gendered) and "they" all the way through. So I'm guessing that they had potentially altered the sex of the children to make it more obscure. So just stick with the fake name and sex for goodness sake! It was stilted and so unnecessary.

Sorry, I know that isn't about mn post but had to get it off my chest.

I agree with your op. Hate reverse threads and the concealed identity ones with a passion.

Georgyporky · 13/06/2022 10:32

I get irritated by crap threads on AIBU that ask the question but don't enable voting.

daimbarsatemydogsbone · 13/06/2022 14:32

WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles · 12/06/2022 19:59

Don't be silly. Those threads are always obvious as they start with "So ladies, I'm after your opinions on this" or end with "just for full disclosure, I am a man in case it makes any difference".

No it doesn't. FUCK OFF.

I got extensively vilified for posting a thread with a question about child maintenance once without making it clear that I am a man. You can't win.

Itloggedmeoutagain · 13/06/2022 14:50

ZebraScarf · 12/06/2022 23:41

And then there's the ones that refer to "my sibling" - and then "she said/did..."

If it's a female sibling then why not just say "my sister"? So much clearer!

I was just about to say this
I know not one single person in real life who says my sibling!

ReneBumsWombats · 13/06/2022 15:03

teablanket · 12/06/2022 19:52

"let's call them Sarah and Paul" grates on me. Call them whatever, a SWAT team isn't going to barge into your living room because you didn't make a false name disclaimer on a mumsnet post. 😅

I thought that once...

bangs on cell bars

ChagSameachDoreen · 13/06/2022 15:27

I hate vague pronouns. Gets so confusing with "they" and "them", like there are multiple antagonists. Just say he or she, FFS. It's not going to out you. Having either a male or female partner is pretty common...

ReneBumsWombats · 13/06/2022 15:31

ChagSameachDoreen · 13/06/2022 15:27

I hate vague pronouns. Gets so confusing with "they" and "them", like there are multiple antagonists. Just say he or she, FFS. It's not going to out you. Having either a male or female partner is pretty common...

They don't do it to avoid outing, they do it to avoid having people's sex influence the answer.

But if you don't trust us to have that level of reason, why ask us at all?

DashboardConfessional · 13/06/2022 16:45

ReneBumsWombats · 13/06/2022 15:31

They don't do it to avoid outing, they do it to avoid having people's sex influence the answer.

But if you don't trust us to have that level of reason, why ask us at all?

It's so often done when it has no bearing on the situation.

I think it does when it's "My partner makes me pay the whole childcare bill out of my wages because "they" say I choose to work" as that's almost always a man, financial disadvantages of being a woman of childbearing age, etc. I'm not so sure when it's 3 siblings and the other two "they"s are arguing over inheritance.

ghostyslovesheets · 13/06/2022 17:06

YANBU and can we add 'posters who don't know how the fuck to JUST GOOGLE IT' to the pile - ffs drive me mad

2TheLighthouse · 13/06/2022 17:49

I don’t get why people say they were at a ‘well-known fast food outlet.’ Just say, specifically, where you mean 🤷‍♀️ Why do people come over all coy about naming specific brands or shops?! Drives me bonkers.

iklboo · 13/06/2022 17:59

'Not AIBU but posting for traffic'

Fuck off you needy git! We. Don't. Care!

SpangledShambles · 13/06/2022 22:52

ReneBumsWombats · 13/06/2022 15:03

I thought that once...

bangs on cell bars

😂😂

Penguinsaregreat · 13/06/2022 23:11

I don't know why but I am loving the name combination of Edna and Jaxon. Or is it Jaxson?
I think it must be the menopause kicking in.
Anyway, as you were, great thread.

Lagertha6 · 13/06/2022 23:19

Wordlecurdle · 12/06/2022 20:09

Don’t be silly 😝

your thread is silly. Lighten up, of course my comment was silly. Intentionally so, and Made in reply to your silly thread.

fuck off ya self ya daft bint

I think she was telling the man in the post to eff off not you xxx

PremiumPeaches · 13/06/2022 23:26

I posted one similar to this recently. I wasn't Person A or Person B but everyone just assumed I was the person they thought was being unreasonable. My reason for posting without saying who I am in the situation is that posters tend to think you should be "loyal" to the person you're closest to even if they're in the wrong or just have a go at you because it's "none of your business" - neither of which are actually helpful/useful/relevant responses.

EmeraldShamrock1 · 13/06/2022 23:36

The drip feeding sends me over the edge, it is embellished and presented in a way to create sympathy usually when OP isn't getting the intended replies.

When you call it out you're a meany.

ArmWrestlingWithChasNDave · 13/06/2022 23:39

I hate it too. It's the patronising assumption that we (the readers) have a bias, usually gender related, and are incapable of critical thought unless the salient facts are carefully controlled by the OP.

SpangledShambles · 14/06/2022 02:28

also the madness of I thought that too but won’t really say anything as it’s amusingly hidden under this fucking stupid line writing under a stupid fucking line for eons.

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