Why do you love The Royal Family?

[pedropony76]

I previously posted this on The Royal Family board but only received one response so wanted to post here for traffic.

For those that love The Queen & The Royal Family, can you actually explain why?

I often see MNetters saying ‘Oh I love The Queen, I love this member and that member’ but no one ever says why. I came across the video of Stacey Solomon saying she doesn’t get why the country is so obsessed with this family as it could be any one of us born into royalty and I totally agree.

For me, when I think of The Royal Family, I instantly think of colonialism and how many of the jewels on the Queen’s crown has been stolen from different countries. I understand not everyone thinks like this but why do some love the members of this establishment as if they’ve done anything to better your life? I’d love to hear people’s views. I’ve tried to have this conversation in real life but everyone I know couldn’t care less about The Royal Family so I’m none the wiser.

Here’s the Stacey Solomon clip for any who haven’t seen it before

I mean come on, for fuck's sake. If that panel of angry badgers is the best we have to offer women in this country, then I'm more ashamed of that than anything else in our collective history.

I find it deeply disturbing that you apparently find the cast of Loose Women more offensive than our country's history of colonisation, slavery and the systemic oppression of women. Just wow.

I love how they perpetuate an ingrained class structure with all power and privilege being held by the wealthy.

I love how when they go on holiday they're carried around on special fancy armchairs by black people.

I love how they advise everyone of the dangers of climate change whilst having loads of kids and travelling on private planes.

I love how they hang out with paedophiles.

So much really.

You do know that the Queen also pays income and capital gains taxes to the State on her private income? She volunteered to do this in 1992 and has done so since

Only when she was forced to because of public opinion. She didn't choose to. The RF are not stupid, they know when they're not onto a winner and make adjustments to shut us all up

That's as may be, but all that does is highlight how enormously wealthy she is. Wealth hoarded through the centuries through theft from the people. The queen didn't "volunteer" tax for the good of the country either. There was an ulterior motive.

I’m not a royalist and I think the obsession with royalty in general is a negative force in our society (although I can see the argument for having a constitutional monarchy(.

But I do have masses of respect for the Queen as a person: her work ethic, fortitude, service and courage are pretty hard not to admire.

No it’s not impossible to pick apart what is the Crown Estate (which is actually owned by us not the Queen) vs what the Queen actually privately owns. There are numerous webpages hosted by the Government with every asset listed and annual financial statements.

She is not the largest legal land owner in the world because that is the Catholic Church. The land value you are listing is not hers as she doesn’t own the land within the Crown Estate, we do (or rather the Government does). And we (the Government) get all the money from it, she doesnt. She only gets an allowance we pay her from the Crown Estate income as reimbursement for her ceremonial duties and work.

Im not going to read a book that is based on a lie that the Queen owns the Crown Estate, when by law she is not the owner at all.

An ulterior motive, take your tin foil hat off. If she hadn't volunteered to pay tax its not like it would have affected her really is it? They also are happy for their financial reports to be published and subject to the same scrutiny as any other public spending ie audit etc; really opaque that.

www.royal.uk/royal-finances-0

You haven't read the book then. OK.

how enormously wealthy she is.

She’s not though. She barely makes the rich list these days and Sunak’s net worth is double hers.

they also are happy for their financial reports to be published and subject to the same scrutiny as any other public spending ie audit etc; really opaque that

Should we be grateful for that? Your post implies we should.

OF COURSE their financial reports should be published!

If you are talking the Sunday Times Rich List, which is pure guesswork.... of course she doesn't! It's all shrouded in mystery

Dont be silly, paying income and capital gains tax doesn’t highlight enormous wealth as we all pay those taxes, or at least anyone making more than£12,500 per a year does. Hardly have to be rolling in money to pay income taxes. And the Queen isn’t even on the U.K. Rich List. She’s not that rich.

Oh, an “ulterior motive” is there? That just highlights your bias and prejudice. She can’t win with you can she? She does good for the country and to you that is proof she is bad.

The Queen is the largest land owner in the world.

www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3#1-queen-elizabeth-ii-15

She wasn’t forced to. What utter rot. You’re just rewriting history to suit your hateful narrative.

Surely you can see that the poster I was responding to was minimising the extent of sexual abuse of girls under 18 by saying Prince Andrew was only able to do that because he was royal. It ignores all the other girls similarly sexually assaulted and abused by the thousands of nonroyal men in this country.

What the absolute fuck are you talking about?! Sex trafficking was absolutely not the only thing he was involved in & I made that very clear in my post. Arms dealers and the door-opening: he only got a position as special trade rep or whatever because he is royal, because the RF is obscure, opaque, protected, medieval has different rules, is immune from prosecution on and on ad infinitum we go, because only about 2 other people on mumsnet understand or even care how the British monarchy has actually operated since the 1950s.

So that's the first thing. Second thing, JE also specifically targeted rich, wealthy & famous people as part of his honeytrap. Nonceface was a great target because he's also thick as pigsh*t and very vain (see Spitting Image doll, Panorama interview) so was too obtuse to realise the full extent of what he was doing, or the true evil of JE and his set-up.

Third thing have a look at my previous posts to see to what extent I minimise sex abuse and sex trafficking. ffs.

Perhaps on a technicality- but do you genuinely believe she owns Australia and Canada etc, of which are factored into that calculation? Of course not ffs. If she said right I want to sell up now or I'm taking over this country of course she wouldn't be able to. Perhaps applying some critical thinking wouldn't go amiss.

No she isn’t.
www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/who-owns-the-most-land-in-the-world-youd-be-surprised-to-find-out-2543999-10.html

And the Business Insider article is wrong as it is including the Crown Estate which is not owned by the Queen. An easy mistake for an American publication to make since even many British people on this thread seem to be wilfully ignorant as to the fact she doesn’t own that land and never has.

Deny history if you want. It's true. Call it hateful if you want. I call it realistic. There's plenty out there to back up what I'm saying. It was at the time of 'annus horribilus'

he only got a position as special trade rep or whatever because he is royal,

Funny then that all the other trade representatives are not royal…

The tabloid coverage likes to suggest overwhelming support, but that’s not quite true. One poll suggested 27 percent of people would now like a Republic, with the figure rising to over 40 percent amongst younger people.
The RF family protect themselves, and their interests, hence putting money offshore, investing in companies such as Brighthouse, lobbying to be exempt from green energy charges on their huge estates. And keeping family Wills private, presumably because of the large sums within. There’s no transparency, it’s not appropriate in 2022.

Arms dealers and the door-opening: he only got a position as special trade rep or whatever because he is royal, because the RF is obscure, opaque, protected, medieval has different rules, is immune from prosecution on and on ad infinitum we go, because only about 2 other people on mumsnet understand or even care how the British monarchy has actually operated since the 1950s.

This isn't limited to just the royal family though, there are segments of society where acting in this manner and getting tangled up in stuff like this is considered okay. The issue is with powerful, rich men being able to elevate their wealth this way without ever being held to account.

She personally, no. The Crown Estate yes.

'The Crown Estate is a collection of lands and holdings in the United Kingdom belonging to the British monarch as a corporation sole, making it "the sovereign's public estate", which is neither government property nor part of the monarch's private estate'

From Wiki

He was called a 'Trade Envoy' a speshul title just for him to go golfing round the world.

one the rich list isn’t guesswork and two the Queens wealth is not “shrouded in mystery” it takes a simple web browser search to find all the government hosted websites that give in excruciating detail the Queens finances because they know it’s in the publics interest to have some degree of transparency and the Queen has consented to this for the good of the country.

Rishi Sunak is far far richer…can you say the same about his wealth? Is there a Sunak Finances webpage where you can page through all the sources of his income? Of course not. Because of the right to privacy. The Queen doesn’t seem to even have that right according to you.

No, that’s a job title shared by many. It wasn’t “just for him”.