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To be confused about my relationship with DM

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goldapple · 02/06/2022 19:54

Just wondered what other people thought as I feel confused about my relationship with DM.

DM had a difficult childhood – she has told us hardly any details, but the little she has has shown that she was to a large extent physically and emotionally neglected, and had to become independent at a very young age. She was hard working and did well at school and went on to have a professional job.

She married my dad and they had three children (I am one of them). My Dad was a nightmare – self centred and angry, I’m pretty sure he was autistic. He left our family when I was a child to make a new life for himself and we haven’t heard from him since.

DM worked hard physically for us when we were at home, and made sure there was always food and healthy meals for us. She encouraged our education and we all went to university.

However, she was not at all emotionally available – she would often have angry outbursts and then refuse to talk about it. She didn’t pay attention to anyone’s feelings or emotional needs and just did whatever she thought was right.

So, fast forward to today. I am now married, with three children, one of whom is on the autistic spectrum. I struggled so much when the children were young – my DS who is autistic did not sleep through the night for years, and I felt motherhood was overwhelming. I was diagnosed with PND. Bearing in mind my DM lived near us, she did not offer any help at all. I was at times desperate for a few hours to myself, and given that she was healthy and in her sixties, I would have thought that she might be supportive, but she said that she had “done her bit”.

She once came round to our house, and whilst she was there, I started feeling really unwell – I had developed a high temperature and started vomiting (in front of her) - it turned out to be norovirus. She just walked out, saying that she’d see me soon, leaving me with my young baby to look after.

Another time, I invited her on holiday with us. The children were all under 5. I had thought that she would just join in with our activities, eg going to the beach, making sandcastles etc but she said that she didn’t want to do that, it was boring. So I had to take her to places that she found interesting, eg gardens, that obviously my children did not enjoy. I then got back to the holiday cottage and had to cook for everyone. Again, I wasn’t sleeping as the children were up at night, and was totally exhausted trying to look after everyone. At the end of the holiday, I had my first ever panic attack, I really felt like I was dying, and called the hospital. I was so desperate for a rest and wished so much that my Mum would come back home with me to help me with looking after the children. My mum saw all this, and just said, hope you feel better soon dear, just drop me at the station and I’ll get the train home.

Another time, she came to stay with us (we were living further away at that time) and she said she had come for a holiday. She spent the whole time going on walks and going out for coffee by herself, while I looked after the children and cooked for everyone. It was one of my children’s birthdays while she was there and I had organised a party. I just thought that the normal thing for a grandparent to do would be to offer to help make the party food, or other preparation, or look after the children so I could do stuff. But she spent the day with her feet up reading the paper with me rushing around. She then left early to go back home as “time was passing really slowly at my house and she had washing to do at home”.

We now live near her again (3 minute car journey), and during lockdown we were in the same bubble. She knew that I was finding it difficult with home schooling the children, and the children were also finding it difficult being cooped up all the time. She didn’t once offer to have them over to her house to play a board game for an hour or two or take them out for a walk.

These are only a few examples, but there are many others.

On the other side of things....I think she does love her children and grandchildren in her way. She often (not always) comes to Christmas concerts/sports days etc, she sometimes asks us all over for tea and cake, and we play cards, and often pops in for a chat for 10 minutes or so. However, the talk is usually about her and her views. She doesn't have much money but has in the past been generous with it. She likes it when I ask her over for a meal, as she loves being cooked for, and is happy to eat the meal, then leave straight afterwards. She likes spending time with me or my siblings in our family homes if she is cooked for and just left to her own devices, rather than entering into family life.

I have recently been diagnosed with ADHD so I'm in the process of looking at my life and relationships and working out if I am being over sensitive, or if the problem is actually with the other person! I feel I am in this cycle of feeling angry and resentful with my mum, then feeling guilty and thinking that she had a rubbish childhood and is doing her best. It's just the fact that I don't really understand how you could walk away from your own child when they are in need of support.

(Another point is that my DH was pretty useless when the children were young - we have now had counselling and he is much better, so I don't know if that is also colouring my view as I didn't have support from him either at the time.)

Any opinions would be gratefully received!

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parrotonthesofa · 02/06/2022 20:15

While she is in no way obligated to help out, it would be nice if she did and many people's parents do so I can see why you would feel sad that she doesn't. It sounds like she's had plenty of opportunities to get stuck in and help but she hasnt even when you were ill etc so obviously doesn't want to.
I would lower my expectations and see her more as a family friend who pops over regularly but doesn't help out and than you won't feel disappointed and will enjoy her visits more.

Jeansgoals · 02/06/2022 20:20

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Devotedcatslave · 02/06/2022 20:24

I don't have any answers but I get the feeling of desperately wishing for some emotional support from your Mum. You can't change her though, and I guess the only thing is to somehow try to accept that and appreciate her as she is. If you work out how to do that please let me know!

TedMullins · 02/06/2022 20:26

Never mind the mum for a moment, in all of those examples your H has done fuck all. Does he ever do the cooking or take the children out to give you some time alone?

Many parents probably would help more, yes, but if she never had this from her own parents it probably doesn’t occur to her (my dad’s the same, neglected and abused and didn’t do basic parental supportive things). I just stopped expecting it and drastically reduced the contact I have with him.

TitInATrance · 02/06/2022 20:32

It sounds as though she had no help or emotional support from her own parents or husband. I wouldn’t expect much from her but if you are desperate, ask her for exactly what you want (e.g. please could you look after the children for a couple of hours, I’m feeling ill) and say it would mean a lot to you.

If she was always treated as a burden, she may instinctively feel the thing to do when you’re showing signs of stress is to get out of your way. I would relate to that.

goldapple · 02/06/2022 20:34

@parrotonthesofa yes that's a good idea to see her more as a family friend. I am actually starting to do that!

@Jeansgoals I have wondered that, but I also think it might be due to childhood neglect, she hasn't developed the capacity to feel empathy in some situations?

@Devotedcatslave I have always longed for emotional support from her, but it has always been non existent. Having typed all of this, I am now remembering more and more - I tried to get her involved with my wedding planning, but anything I asked her about, flowers. dress etc, she would just say "Why are you asking me? I have no idea". It's like she is annoyed/hurt when I ask for emotional engagement! On the wedding day she wandered about like a wedding guest, she just wanted to enjoy herself and not have any responsibility. That's what she is always like!

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SuziSecondLaw · 02/06/2022 20:35

This sounds (sort of) similar to the situation with my mum. I posted a thread about it a few weeks ago if you fancy a read:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4541170-to-not-particularly-want-my-mum-in-my-life-anymore

Anyway, I totally understand how you feel.

AssignedSlytherinAtBirth · 02/06/2022 20:35

I had a very strange DM. Yours is her own person too. My advice is to accept it. Don't waste any more emotional energy wishing it was different. She did her best for you and doubtless she loves you and your siblings, but is unable or unwilling to connect with you and her dgch in the way you'd like her to.

AssignedSlytherinAtBirth · 02/06/2022 20:41

Re the wedding, on my wedding day my DM refused to wear the white buttonhole we'd provided for everyone and insisted on wearing a red fake flower instead. But this was part of a pattern of her not being told what to do by anyone. She'd had a very overbearing father. Her attitude really hurt me at times but there was FA I could do about it.

goldapple · 02/06/2022 20:42

@TedMullins My DH was crap when the children were young - it caused many problems and we almost split up over it. However, we have had counselling and he is now much much better.

Sorry to hear that your dad is similar - yes, I think the only way forward is to stop expecting the basic parental support from her.

@TitInATrance I have asked her directly many times for help. She does babysit occasionally when it's something practical eg doctors appointment, parents evening, but if I ever said I am not feeling well and asked for support, she would just look annoyed.

Yes perhaps she does feel like a burden and try to get out of the way - but the irony is that if she engaged more, she wouldn't be a burden! It's just painful for me to be with her sometimes when she seems so closed off with no empathy.

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picklemewalnuts · 02/06/2022 20:43

It makes no odds whose fault it is, or who is NT and who is not.

There's no way you can change other people. All you can do is decide how much you want to be around them, and how you deal with them.

Work on accepting who she is, and work out how you want to be involved with her.

It's tough knowing your parent is emotionally unavailable, and will never be the mum other people have. It's easier when you've accepted it though, and stop being disappointed and angry all the time.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/06/2022 20:43

Your mother is emotionally unavailable, raised by selfish people. She doesn't know how to express emotions because she never had a role model to learn from. Some people who grew up like she did are able to have healthier relationships, but some, like her, just aren't. As for her providing any childcare, it's too bad she's not interested, but she is in no way obligated. She's right in that she's done her bit, and your children are your responsibility.

You can either accept her as she is or remain resentful. I'm am sorry that she isn't the mum that you need.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/06/2022 20:45

It's just painful for me to be with her sometimes when she seems so closed off with no empathy.

Op, I would be willing to bet that the thought of expressing emotions scares the shit out of your mother. She just isn't capable of being vulnerable like that.

Cherrysoup · 02/06/2022 20:47

I don’t think grandparents have to offer help with your dc. Why did you have 3 with such a useless Dh?

TedMullins · 02/06/2022 20:48

I can literally hear my dad saying “why are you asking me, it’s you getting married!” if I asked him for any input in my wedding (I’m not getting married, just laughing at the idea because that’s EXACTLY how he’d respond). I wouldn’t ask him though, I think my expectations of him have been so low for so long I’d be surprised if he even wanted to turn up as a guest

whumpthereitis · 02/06/2022 21:00

You need to accept your mother for who she is, rather than who you want her to be. For whatever reason she can’t give you the emotional connection you want, and you have to come to terms with that.

She may or may not be NT, and while she may have less empathy that doesn’t necessarily mean that anything is ‘wrong’ with her. Empathy (referring to the emotional element, rather than the cognitive) exists on a spectrum, and what may seem natural to you won’t be so obvious to someone else.

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