Nursing should be re-named?

[SunshinePie]

Was pondering over this recently, is calling “nursing” is a bit old fashioned? You now need a degree to be a nurse, and they often are pretty much doing junior doctor jobs. Calling it something else that recognises it’s academic demands, and also more inclusive to males wanting to work in the field…something like Healthcare Medic / Healthcare Practitioner/ Assistant Medic…. Or similar, you get the idea….

-YABU, it should be kept “nurse”, it’s traditional and has roots in “nursing an infant” ie breastfeeding (that reflects the caring nature)

-YANBU it’s old fashioned, insulting to people with degrees and esp males.

"Teachers used to have no training at all. Simply someone well educated would be appointed as a teacher."

Still the case in private schools (as in they do not need to have teacher training) and for lecturers.

I wonder why some posters are so threatened by nurses being highlighted skilled, academic professionals.

Even going so far as to tell actual nurses they're thick or wrong.

Why so insecure?

Exactly

"Well civil engineers need advanced maths and science skills"

And nurses need advanced interpersonal and decision making skills (as well as solid bases in maths and science). These aren't soft skills, are as academic as maths and science are and can be taught to an advanced level.

@lameasahorse

No, I'm really not.

Read the fucking thread.

At this point though it pretty much seems like a nurse could say the sky was blue and you would say, no today it was green.

Its a bit odd

How ridiculous. Also, how could being called a nurse possibly be insulting to men?

@PrawnToast5

Precisely.

I mean, fair enough if people were saying, wow. I actually had no idea how complex and difficult nursing was. Thanks for highlighting how under appreciated and under paid they are.

Thanks for highlighting how that has led to a staffing crisis there is no resolution for, thats really worrying. For us all.

But no.

They're telling nurses they don't understand their own roles and skill sets and should all just quit

Well seeing its not nurses coming up with these bright ideas.

🤣🤣

YANBU it’s old fashioned, insulting to people with degrees and esp males.

This is precisely why it shouldn’t be renamed. Nurses should be proud to be who they are and men should be proud to be part of that tradition!

@lameasahorse

Yup.

My argument is also based on all the posts which show they dont understand the role very clearly.

I've met loads of make nurses when I worked at a hospital and they were all proud of their job title! And so they should be, they worked hard!

This thread is bizarre. so many or maybe one or two posters who think they know
more about nursing that people who are actually nurses. It’s like a school thread ..!

Pay was 21k in 2010, now 26k, inflation over this period has been over 30%

So in real terms, pay has not risen, in fact the reverse.

Has the amount of male nurses increased in the last 5 years? That's certainly not something I've heard or experienced.

From the RCN:

"Since 2006 there has been a mere 0.1% rise in the number of men on the NMC register."

This.

I’m a CNS these days and I have autonomy in 1 area of medicine. I am not a doctor and I don’t pretend to be one. If I wanted to I would have studied medicine. Why can’t we just be happy with the vital work we do as a team, and support each other? FY1s need some guidance when they’re on the ward until they find their feet, just as newly qualified nurses do. It’s not ok to dismiss the utterly vital role they play. I’m quite shocked by some of the comments on this thread.

I have had the privilege of seeing and being around when SHOs have worked so hard over the years and become consultants. Left the trust and come back for various stages of training. Brilliant women and men. I have taught SHOs to essentially become running nurses in a Cath lab at night for the STEMI service because we were short of nurses, and they’ve come back as SpRs and consultants. I have so much respect for these awesome people who took on a role they shouldn’t have and helped the rest of the team and their patients. Lets have a bit of respect and support for each other eh?

Plenty of times I’ve advised doctors about what a patient needs , and one time I can recall telling a consultant what needed doing for a patient. 40 years experience helps!