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To think they are both as bad as each other?

32 replies

malificent7 · 27/05/2022 22:00

Depp and Heard airing their dirty laundry in public when millions are facing much. more pressing concerns.

And why the hell is Kate Moss's testimony even evidence? What does it prove?

Uggggrrrr!

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JulyDreams · 27/05/2022 22:02

Kate Moss testimony proved Amber was lying, Johnny's lawyer called her to testify.

purpleme12 · 27/05/2022 22:02

Yes both as bad as each other imo

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malificent7 · 27/05/2022 22:04

Amber was lying about Moss....so what? Dosn't prove at all that she was lying about other things. I'm not on her side either. Horrid tawdry affair.

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JulyDreams · 27/05/2022 22:05

Proves everything else she has said probably isn't reliable. To be honest I'm not really fussed.

There is evidence against them both of abuse.

JudgeRindersMinder · 27/05/2022 22:07

I can’t wait for the whole circus to be over. Between them and Rooney v Vardy they’re a set of spoilt brats.

Badgirlriri · 27/05/2022 22:08

ANOTHER thread about this.

EmerLou · 27/05/2022 22:12

They should both be ashamed of themselves. The entire trial has just been an absolute joke, and has sent us back years and years in the fight against domestic violence.

This social media circus has People openly judging because a victim isn't acting how they believe a victim should act, and must therefore be lying. Honestly, some of the opinions people have felt acceptable to air on social media and the like, have been down right disgusting. God love their relatives, children, neighbours, friends who find themselves in a toxic, abusive relationship who now know exactly how judgemental and victim blaming these people can be.

It is so obviously clear both heard and depp were toxic to eachother. They have both been abusive, and should both be ashamed of themselves. They fell into the trap of a toxic relationship and unfortunately it led them down the road they ended up. Horrible for both of them. Even more so with the level of drink and drugs involved. I believe both feel traumatised from their time together.

But to allow this trial to be aired the way it has been, and for the narrative to go the way it has is just so downright dangerous.

ThinWomansBrain · 27/05/2022 22:14

YABU not to give a more descriptive title so that sane people realise it's a waste of space and skip over it.

purpleme12 · 27/05/2022 22:14

Yes totally agree @EmerLou

childofthecorn · 27/05/2022 22:29

Well, no one has been covered in glory. But as a poster said on yet another thread, Johnny Depp has already 'won' - his popularity is soaring as his case is believable and seemingly evidenced. Amber's career is over.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 27/05/2022 22:32

YANBU. She comes across as a lying narcissist. He comes across as a sad pathetic misogynistic addict. Both vile.

AchatAVendre · 27/05/2022 22:35

I'll probably get slayed for saying this, but this phrase "they're both as bad as each other" is something that gets thrown at women by other women whenever they stand up for themselves. Its lazy, its meant to condition women into not speaking up, into keeping their heads down and not answering back and provoking; if a man attacks them then they're just as bad as he is for putting themselves in that situation.

I say that as someone who was assaulted by a man in front of other people (a particularly aggressive, obsessive man who later was given a caution for intimidating and harassing another woman) in front of a group of people I know, and one of those woman announced a few days later that "we were both as bad as each other". I did nothing to provoke this man, other than refusing to be chatty with him and trying to avoid engaging and I didn't even get the police involved.

So no, I doubt very much that they are "as bad as each other". I suspect its far more complex than that.

FriedTomatoe · 27/05/2022 22:45

I'm not a fan of Depp and don't understand all these people who think he's some kind of Saint. I know everyone says that taking drugs doesn't make people abusive but it does alter brain chemistry and therefore must alter the behaviour.

She clearly has psychological problems too. It shouldn't have been televised. I feel they're as bad as each other and that's not just lazy stereotyping - in this relationship, she gave as good as she got.

MissMaple82 · 27/05/2022 22:51

It provides a picture of her character and his character, it absolutely is evidence

Netty909 · 27/05/2022 23:53

Amber brought up Kate Moss in her evidence and a rumour that Johnny Depp had pushed her down some stairs. That's why she was allowed to testify that it was not true

PurpleButterflyWings · 27/05/2022 23:58

YABVVVVU to start ANOTHER thread about Depp and Heard.

I am team Depp, I loathe Heard, and I reckon Moss's testimony will blow the case wide open, because she has basically just proven Heard to be the fantasist she is.

100% want DEPP to win.

XenoBitch · 27/05/2022 23:59

TBH, I am not sure why any of it is being made public at all.
The conclusion being reported.. yeah, sure. Blow by blow accounts, and court footage? I don't get it.

PurpleButterflyWings · 27/05/2022 23:59

malificent7 · 27/05/2022 22:04

Amber was lying about Moss....so what? Dosn't prove at all that she was lying about other things. I'm not on her side either. Horrid tawdry affair.

Sounds like you are on Heard's side to me. Shame on you. As some posters have said, she has done NO favours to domestic violence victims.

Choopi · 28/05/2022 00:15

JulyDreams · 27/05/2022 22:02

Kate Moss testimony proved Amber was lying, Johnny's lawyer called her to testify.

How does it prove that she waslyung about having heard a rumours? Does Kate Moss know all of the rumours AH has heard?

runforyourdog · 28/05/2022 00:22

I'm in two minds. I admit I do like Depp it seems she is lying.. but.. what if she is telling the truth?

mrsfollowill · 28/05/2022 00:23

No one will ever know exactly what went on (except them) but their whole relationship seems to have been utterly toxic. Both drunk/drugged and/or with huge mental health issues. Should never have got this far or so public!

EmerLou · 28/05/2022 00:26

@PurpleButterflyWings and he has? Sitting in court laughing, smirking, rolling his eyes, making faces, joking during testimonies, basically turning the entire thing into an a total circus.

He should be ashamed of himself. Domestic abuse is not a laughing matter. It is not for people to make light of, or to manipulate to the press for popularity.

I am not on heards side. But I am certainly not on his. His behaviour has been disgusting.

willstarttomorrow · 28/05/2022 00:54

Just knew this would be about Depp/Heard. There are no winners here, the whole relationship appears toxic. I frequently am ordered to submit reports to the family courts as part of my job as part of private law proceedings in which domestic abuse and controlling/coercive is an issue- often on both sides with a child in the middle. I find the whole media circus around this trial and the whole 'team Depp/team Heard' incredibly distasteful and voyeuristic, most people do not understand the law and have already made their mind up. I particularly hate the narrative that a woman who appears to have several mental health issues, and a tenuous relationship with the truth makes her an abuser but cannot herself also be a victim. People we do not like, and have a history of being whatever is not acceptable can also be victims. This is a huge issue in rape cases getting to court in the UK. Any hint of not being a 'blameless virgin' and the defence will pull you apart in court. It is totally possible she has been the victim and also an abuser

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Thedogscollar · 28/05/2022 00:57

Badgirlriri · 27/05/2022 22:08

ANOTHER thread about this.

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purpleme12 · 28/05/2022 01:11

willstarttomorrow · 28/05/2022 00:54

Just knew this would be about Depp/Heard. There are no winners here, the whole relationship appears toxic. I frequently am ordered to submit reports to the family courts as part of my job as part of private law proceedings in which domestic abuse and controlling/coercive is an issue- often on both sides with a child in the middle. I find the whole media circus around this trial and the whole 'team Depp/team Heard' incredibly distasteful and voyeuristic, most people do not understand the law and have already made their mind up. I particularly hate the narrative that a woman who appears to have several mental health issues, and a tenuous relationship with the truth makes her an abuser but cannot herself also be a victim. People we do not like, and have a history of being whatever is not acceptable can also be victims. This is a huge issue in rape cases getting to court in the UK. Any hint of not being a 'blameless virgin' and the defence will pull you apart in court. It is totally possible she has been the victim and also an abuser

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