AIBU to think that if the Texan School

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Was NOT a majority Latino school (I.e in white Texan suburbia) then the police officers would have raided the school earlier and NOT treated the parents the way they did.

BBC Article

The police force in the US are scary, they don't require a fraction of the training our police do. And so much racism.

To be honest, most of the local police officers that I saw on the news appeared to be Hispanic themselves.
Makes sense in a majority Hispanic community.
So I don't think racism played a part in this. Even the offender was Hispanic.

You really don't have to find racism everywhere.

Not in this case. The officers I've seen were hispanic, perp was hispanic, kids at the school were hispanic, community is largely hispanic. I've seen at least one local officer who's lost his daughter speaking to the news. I imagine there will be more. 😔

@Kontikka yes I got the impression that uvalde is a predominantly latino community as well by the videos on the news too.

Here's there police department:
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Here's there swat team: m.facebook.com/uvaldepd/photos/a.984027511630606/2986614501371887/

This poor deputy even lost his daughter in the shooting.

There were also some reports that some members of law enforcement went in the school to get their children but it is not clear when. There's alot of people saying different things but I haven't heard this clearly on the news.

There's enough racism in America to keep you going with hard facts and clear observation for a lifetime, why you are looking to manufacture a narrative for it here when it seems like a collosal stretch?

i dont get why they were arresting parents??

I agree with what was said above about the Police training. It seems to have been very badly managed after the event to. One man I heard on Radio 4 news told how he heard of his child's death from another child coming out. It sounds chaotic.

It doesn't sound like racism though as the children, the teachers, the gunman and the police all seem to have been Hispanic.

I doubt it. School children of all ethnicities are collateral damage when it comes to guns in the US. He had an AR15 ffs.

Maybe they were scared of being shot and wanted more officers to attend before going in?

I think the more important point is why do Americans accept their children being shot as a perfectly normal in order to 'arm themselves' in such a free and easy everyone can have a gun fashion.

Do you even have a clue about any of the precautions surrounding an operation like that? They can't just run in and also start shooting. Their job is to neutralize the threat and minimize loss of life. Startling a spree killer or alerting them in any way to their iminent capture is likely to cause them to desperately begin killing as many as possible. This is a precise and delicate operation.

The officers involved have lost family and friends in this tragedy and you are saying they should have done more? You were have no idea what these people went through.
Stop looking for racism everywhere there is a predominantly non white community. That can be just as dangerous as racism itself.

One man I heard on Radio 4 news told how he heard of his child's death from another child coming out.

He was a paramedic and was treating the child who told him. It's not how he should have learned about his child's death but he was there as a first responder.

I doubt it. TX is largely hispanic, particularly in that area. Many of the first responders, police force, will be Spanish speaking/hispanic origin themselves.

why do schools generally not have security doors/access i.e. like you get in a work place or nursery in the UK where you have to be buzzed in and to leave the building you have to have a button pressed to release the door etc? I don't understand how random members of the public can just walk into these places.

Ours do. The fences went up after Parkland and to get in we have to show our ID at a camera in a foyer and explain why we are there. There is also a monitoring office ‘offsite with officers monitoring CCTV cameras. Partitions also went up around the office people who were previously behind just a counter. If we go in to volunteer or for a school event we need to be registered in the system and get an Id sticker to wear while on school premises.

i spoke to my middle schooler (11yo) and they have about 5 school security officers and 6 officers from the school police force patrolling his school.

I believe it was to stop them going Into the school themselves to save their kids.

But an hour is unacceptable- allowing children to bleed out when some could have been saved, the knowledge of those kids and teachers that no one was coming to get them, the increasing desperation and fear, the unimaginable pain.

There are no excuses for leaving the shot children and teachers in a classroom with the shooter for an hour after the police arrival. No excuses whatsoever. The senior officers at the scene and whoever is responsible in their department for emergency response should be held to account.

There are questions about the police response, apparently some of the police had their own children inside but there doesn't seem to be any racial aspect.

But an hour is unacceptable- allowing children to bleed out when some could have been saved

You've no idea about tactics, who was there and when. What the situation was inside the building. What if the shooter was in a well prepared defensive position? Had an armed explosive device? Booby traps about the place? There is likely more outcomes that result in greater numbers of injuries of you go rushing in unprepared.

Exactly how long do you think it takes to plan a operation like that?

There definitely seem to be questions to be asked about the police response, but I don't think racism has anything to do with it in this case. The overwhelming majority of people in the town are Hispanic, including the police, victims and perpetrator.

I suggest you look at how many non white people are shot resisting arrest and how many police are shot by non white people on the US.

They were restraining parents whose children were dead or dying or trapped inside with pepper spray, handcuffs and brandishing a taser while the actual shooter was alone inside for an hour. Not sure how anyone can justify that.

I didn’t think it was a race issue, but definitely really disturbing.

The guidance is for officers who arrive first to take action (though I do understand that the police were scared for themselves).

And no, wondering if actions are racist does not cause as much damage as racism, what a ridiculous perspective!

Everyone's a fucking armchair expert.

If you aren't trained in tactical weaponry and resolving hostage situation, maybe don't shout your gob off about what should have been done?

You're unreasonable for watching the TV and deciding you know better than the people who were there and who DO have to make the best decisions they can at the time.