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CHiSOCG · 2022-05-27T13:47:00+00:00

Was NOT a majority Latino school (I.e in white Texan suburbia) then the police officers would have raided the school earlier and NOT treated the parents the way they did. [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-61604652 BBC Article]]

user1471447863 · 27/05/2022 19:20

Blindly running in is the best way to get yourself referred to as victim n+1

Unfortunately America will once again act horrified and claim it was unimaginable (despite how regularly it occurs, in fact I can quite imagine it happening a few more times before the end of the year, sadly) and that there was nothing that could have been done to prevent it.

IrishMamaMia · 27/05/2022 19:29

Police in London responded so quickly to the terrorist acts a few years ago. It was within minutes and it definitely saved lives. It definitely seems off that officers didn't go in there until an hour had passed. Those poor kids and teachers, RIP.

Sleepingsatellite1 · 27/05/2022 19:35

bubblesbubbles11 · 27/05/2022 16:21

why do schools generally not have security doors/access i.e. like you get in a work place or nursery in the UK where you have to be buzzed in and to leave the building you have to have a button pressed to release the door etc? I don't understand how random members of the public can just walk into these places.

At Sandy Hook they’d just had a whole new security system put in including all the things you just described but the killer shot through it, broke the glass and climbed in.

AlternativePerspective · 27/05/2022 19:36

I guarantee that if this had been in the UK and it had been the met police, nobody would have wasted time criticising.

There is no excuse for waiting an hour to go in. Shootings are a matter of course in the US. This is their day job. Added to which, initially the police lied and said they’d gone in straight away.

IrishMamaMia · 27/05/2022 21:34

I agree @AlternativePerspective surely they are highly trained for this scenario. In a way their response almost shocks me more than the already shocking events. I'll wait to hear if more info is revealed but it feels against the order of things, just very wrong.

bloodyplanes · 27/05/2022 21:48

MadMadMadamMim · 27/05/2022 18:56

Everyone's a fucking armchair expert.

If you aren't trained in tactical weaponry and resolving hostage situation, maybe don't shout your gob off about what should have been done?

You're unreasonable for watching the TV and deciding you know better than the people who were there and who DO have to make the best decisions they can at the time.

This!

XelaM · 27/05/2022 22:25

ForTheLoveOfSleep · 27/05/2022 16:00

Do you even have a clue about any of the precautions surrounding an operation like that? They can't just run in and also start shooting. Their job is to neutralize the threat and minimize loss of life. Startling a spree killer or alerting them in any way to their iminent capture is likely to cause them to desperately begin killing as many as possible. This is a precise and delicate operation.

The officers involved have lost family and friends in this tragedy and you are saying they should have done more? You were have no idea what these people went through.
Stop looking for racism everywhere there is a predominantly non white community. That can be just as dangerous as racism itself.

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This! In Russia there was a horrific event when children were held hostage at a school and the incompetent stupid corrupt Russian police stormed the building and all the children were killed.

childofthecorn · 27/05/2022 22:35

Yay, 'lets twist the latest tragic news story into a racist one', what th actual fuck

RunningFromInsanity · 27/05/2022 22:58

Theres so so much wrong with this tragedy but it wasn’t racism.

one young girl has said she survived by covering herself in the blood of her dying friend and playing dead, despite having bullet fragments in the back of her neck. Someone had taught a child to cover herself in another child’s blood in the case of an active shooter. That is the state of America right now.

RunningFromInsanity · 27/05/2022 22:58

Theres so so much wrong with this tragedy but it wasn’t racism.

one young girl has said she survived by covering herself in the blood of her dying friend and playing dead, despite having bullet fragments in the back of her neck. Someone had taught a child to cover herself in another child’s blood in the case of an active shooter. That is the state of America right now.

artisanbread · 27/05/2022 23:08

I don't know about race being involved but they do seem to have gone against the official guidance regarding school shootings that the first officers on the scene should do whatever they can to stop the attack without waiting for backup.

artisanbread · 27/05/2022 23:18

From a Sky News article:

Previously in the US, waiting for specially trained tactical teams was the standard response to "active shooter" incidents.

But this changed after the 1999 Columbine High School shooting in Colorado, when 12 students and a teacher were killed while police waited an hour for a SWAT team to arrive.

Responders usually operate in teams of four, so the guidance changed to encourage the first four to pursue the suspect.

This has since been changed further to emphasize that police officers should do all in their power to stop the suspect shooting and taking any more lives.

The Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center (ALERRT) at Texas State University is the largest active shooter response training provider in the US. They are recognised by the FBI and are responsible for training police across Texas.

Their guidance states: "Law enforcement's purpose is to stop the active shooter as soon as possible. Officers will proceed directly to the area in which the last shots were heard."

It stresses that the "first priority is to move in… bypassing wounded and confronting the shooter".

Who knows why this guidance wasn't followed. There doesn't seem to be any indication that race was a factor. Maybe fear or lack of training.