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To think they are planning to axe the wrong BBC channels...

97 replies

jobhunter7 · 26/05/2022 21:56

Isn't BBC 4 what a public broadcaster should be doing? Not BBC 3 for example...

I suppose they could at least put the good stuff that would have gone on BBC 4 on BBC 2 as they would have fitted back in past...

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PuppyMonkey · 27/05/2022 06:39

yoshiblue · 26/05/2022 22:23

They are axing BBC 4 and CBBC live channels but will be available through iPlayer. I never watch shows live anyway, always pick what I want on iPlayer

Again, BBC4 on Friday nights is old fashioned “event telly”, everyone watching TOTP and tweeting along together about it - it’s such a laugh. Going off and watching TOTP on your own when you feel like it on iplayer is just not the same.

FuzzyPuffling · 27/05/2022 08:03

PuppyMonkey · 26/05/2022 22:09

Baffling. The BBC4 repeats of Top of the Pops on Friday nights are always the number one trending topic on Twitter.

Us oldies watch telly, the young ones watch programmes on phones and tablets - yet they keep BBC3 on TV and move BBC4 online.

Twats.

Yes, this.
BBC3 was online and they brought it back to telly; daft move in my opinion. I have no wish to watch "yoof telly" and I suspect the yoof don't care either.

middleager · 27/05/2022 08:05

So frustrating when the likes of Mrs Brown's Boys remain on other Beeb channels.

Antarcticant · 27/05/2022 08:15

I can only guess this is an attempt to reel in younger people who don't watch live TV, to start getting licence fees from them before all the older people who are paying it die off.

It won't work that way. It will just give BBC4 watchers one more reason to stop watching live TV and paying for a licence.

Rightly or wrongly, the TV licence is ultimately doomed.

pussycatlickinglollyices · 27/05/2022 08:16

mogtheexcellent · 26/05/2022 22:18

I think they should move bbc3 back online. It was a rubbish move bringing it back. A large portion of people watching bbc4 are older and unlikely to be able to watch online.

Certainly my parents wont. They still highlight the programmes they want to watch on radio times Sad

This^

BBC4 has some excellent programmes - many would have been shown (and were originally broadcast) on BBC2 in the past.
BBC3 has a younger target demographic who are less likely to watch TV as a live broadcast.

The news story on BBC website does say "But CBBC, BBC Four will stay on linear TV and Radio 4 Extra will stay on the radio airwaves for at least three years." so there is time for protest.

we USED to mark up the RT when I bought the Christmas one, but after the subscription service failed us in 2021, I won't waste my money on one again

hattie43 · 27/05/2022 08:18

BBC4 is the only BEEB channel I watch . Sad.

Persephoned · 27/05/2022 08:46

They are moving BBC3 back online.

110APiccadilly · 27/05/2022 08:49

I thought it was announced ages ago that BBC 3 was going online only. Did I misunderstand that or did it get rolled back?

grumpygiraffe · 27/05/2022 08:51

I trust none of you whingeing here vote Conservative.

balalake · 27/05/2022 08:52

@middleager Mrs Browns Boys shows the extent of the mental health crisis in this country, given that anyone watches it.

I agree with the sentiment about BBC 4 and CBBC. It might be a plan designed to get more funding for the BBC though.

Antarcticant · 27/05/2022 08:53

grumpygiraffe · 27/05/2022 08:51

I trust none of you whingeing here vote Conservative.

Labour all the way here!

110APiccadilly · 27/05/2022 08:55

From a practical point of view, why would they axe radio 4 extra? It must cost almost nothing, given there's very little if any new content. (That's not a complaint, there's often stuff on there I like - particularly the book adaptations. It's fine to replay good stuff. But expensive it is not.)

PortiaFimbriata · 27/05/2022 09:00

I imagine radio 4 extra gets very few live listeners.Putting it live costs the presenters' salaries and all the engineering and backup costs of recording the presenters' work and managing a live broadcast.

Coastalcreeksider · 27/05/2022 09:00

I really hope that those of us who love the foreign drama films and the numerous series that have been shown on BBC4 will not miss out and that they will put them on BBC2.

More 4 does show foreign drama, Walter Presents is usually excellent but their sponsorship adverts keep cutting in and are exasperating, especially the current one for Arnold bloody Clark!

There is a new series of Borgen coming up, I really hope that we will still get to watch it on BBC.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 27/05/2022 09:06

I completely agree that, if they must do it, why did they bring back BBC3 in the first place (with a younger, mostly online audience) only to threaten to chop BBC4, which will attract a lot more older people who prefer to watch telly on an actual telly?

Youngsters often find actual TV archaic anyway, so it's a bit like turning a steakhouse into a vegan restaurant and constantly refreshing the chef's specials in a desperate attempt to lure back the old custom base.

I'd say that the licensing model was probably dying anyway, as the younger generations of adults just wouldn't find it relevant at all; so why hasten the death by driving away us oldies who do still engage and buy one?

I also don't understand how they save that much money by still making the programmes but using a different platform to show them. Surely it's the making of the content that costs most money? If it genuinely costs so much to run actual channels, what's the point of having a dozen or so regional versions of BBC1 that usually show the same things at the same time except for local news and weather? They don't even make Inside Out (with it's bizarre toilet-flush link between items) anymore.

I'm particularly cross about CBBC, as it takes away older children's safe space. Currently, they know that they put the channel on and it's all advert-free content that should be appropriate for them. Once they're forced to look online, not only is there a huge range of content to choose from, not all of which will be suitable for their age; but it's far from unknown for bad people to add long lists of the names of popular kids' shows to grab innocent searches and steer them towards very unsuitable material.

I know this will be a very unpopular opinion, but in spite of its many failings, hidden agendas and dark history, I love the BBC. I don't think people should be forced to pay for it if they never watch it - although, considering the breadth of content, I'm always a little suspicious of people who claim that there's never anything across the whole BBC that they would ever want to watch - but, all grumbling aside, if it were optional to pay £160 or whatever each year for access to all BBC TV, radio, catch-up and other online content, I wouldn't think twice before paying it.

That said, I agree that this is mainly to get people talking about it and considering if they do want to lose it. If they threaten to scrap BBC1 or BBC2, it would be instant game over and bye bye, BBC; but anything else can be thrown in to the conversation.

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 27/05/2022 09:14

only to threaten to chop BBC4, which will attract a lot more older people who prefer to watch telly on an actual telly?

To expand on that, it's not always just a preference to watch it on an actual telly: for a great many older people, moving it online really means it's gone for good - no different from if their favourite local bricks-and-mortar shop moved to Australia.

sanityisamyth · 27/05/2022 09:17

I don't think I've ever watched BBC3 or 4 🙈

Antarcticant · 27/05/2022 09:30

DH and I often watch documentaries on BBC 4. We don't watch any subscription TV at all. We are a middle-aged, working class couple - probably 'typical' licence payers, in fact.

MrsWooster · 27/05/2022 09:47

CBBC is a ridiculous decision: it moves tv watching from being a shared, collective / family activity to pushing children onto individual screens.

Just what’s needed in these times…

fyn · 27/05/2022 09:58

Both of those channels get very low viewers though - BBC4 gets on average 0.8% and CBBC gets 0.19% (CBeebies gets a lot more I believe).

BBC3 has historically produced a lot of very popular comedy shows - Gavin and Stacy, This Country, Fleabag etc…

TempsPerdu · 27/05/2022 10:02

BBC4 is a shadow of its former self anyway; used to love it a few years ago when it commissioned high quality new history/art history/travel docs but haven’t really watched it (other than TOTP) since it became mainly archive only. Yes, the more highbrow history docs and so on should now move to BBC2.. but will they really? I think more likely is that we’ll continue to see a depressing number of programmes where the word ‘Britain’ has been shoehorned into the title: Britain’s Favourite Royal’; ‘Britain’s Top Vegetable’ etc.

The loss of CBBC to online only is a bit sad. I get that kids increasingly are choosing to stream content on YouTube, but as pps have said CBBC was one of the last remaining ad-free safe spaces that you could just switch on and let DC watch in relative confidence. More considered (and yes, sometimes a bit worthy) content-wise than Netflix and Disney, and mostly U.K.-based programming. We’re still firmly in CBeebies territory here so not affecting us yet, but still a loss.

Like most of our institutions the BBC hasn’t exactly covered itself in glory of late, but with this government (which actively wants public service broadcasting gone), it’s stuck between a rock and a hard place. Terrified of losing the licence fee entirely through the combination of a hostile government and shifting demographics it’s been forced into chasing ratings, competing with the streaming services, instead of upholding their core Reitheian principles. Stuck in headless chicken mode, they’ve made some really bad decisions along the way, and much of the culture within the BBC is pretty toxic.

I just hope they manage to preserve BBC news, especially the foreign correspondents/world service, at least sone of the science and nature programming and the rest of the kids’ and educational offer. No other service would have provided the likes of BBC Bitesize, for example, during lockdown.

Antarcticant · 27/05/2022 10:04

When I think back to the TV of my youth - 70s/80s so only three, then four channels - my recollection is that although there was far less content, what there was was very high quality (by the standards of the time). 'Family' shows such as The Two Ronnies, Paul Daniels' Magic Show and so on had really lavish budgets. Nowadays there seems to be much more 'filler' TV - yet another cookery or house renovation show, made with little thought.

Rosehugger · 27/05/2022 10:08

None of them are being axed, surely they are just going to be on Sounds/iPlayer?

It's Radio 4 Extra isn't it? Not Radio 4. So plays, dramas, audio books etc - all to be found on Sounds. I've never listened to one as a live broadcast.

CBBC - kids don't sit and watch TV, they choose which content they want to watch on smart TVs and devices.

I think they should axe BBC News 24. 24 hour news coverage is ridiculous.

Rosehugger · 27/05/2022 10:10

Eventually surely there will be no live broadcast TV and just content to stream or download as you want to. Loads of people already don't watch live TV ever as it is. Most of the things I watch are at least recorded to watch at a more convenient time.

PortiaFimbriata · 27/05/2022 10:10

Turns out I was wrong about Radio 4 Extra. It gets almost 2 million live listeners a week - nearly as many as Radio 3.
I guess there are a lot of people who use it as a fallback whenever Radio 4 is broadcasting something they don't fancy.
www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2022/live-listening-figures-revealed-with-34m-tuning-in-to-bbc-radio-each-week