To feel sad for the nhs?

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The saddest thing about the cost of living and this wank stain of a government is the pathetically poor staff retainment in the NHS.

It's impossible to keep staff when they get shat on by higher management, patients aren't happy because sends short staffed so levels of complaints are at their highest (don't blame them but it doesn't make for a nice working environment)

Our amazing HCAs when they reach the top of band 2 which they are in theatres where I work, means they top out at £19,1800 a year and there is no scope for any more. At all. I've got staff leaving to work in Aldi or for call centres because they can get more and right now every penny matters.

I'm at a loss, we can't recruit because the pay is so shit so when they leave we probably won't replace them for months if ever and the service will get worst.

They deserve so much more, they do so much it's unbelievable really. There a viral part
Of the nhs and deserve some recognition.

See also nurses. I've got 3 leaving because of the manager I've taken over from, think she ruled with a rod of iron and made people so unhappy. They've said the toxic environment she and 2 other senior staff caused was just too much, but then again 1 is going to work in Lidl, one is becoming a dog walker and 1 has a job at Starbucks because they pay well.

I feel like I've got loads to do to turn around staff morale in my department and that takes time. However there is absolutely nothing I can do about pay!

This is just a rant.

err the NHS uses massive amounts of private provision... and the total amount of tax and insurance is more than the UK pays into the NHS... plus many countries charge for consultations and GP appointments, nominal amounts but it adds up.

As for "Socialists" do i need to remind you who has been in power these last 12 years? and who has been in power for the majority of the post war period?

i don't see the Tories adopting too many Socialist policies.

I think the saddest part is people blaming the cost of living or whatever government who is in office at that time for the decline of the NHS. The rot set in decades ago.

The more they try to save money the more money they waste.
Which then leads to them trying to save money on salaries which means they don’t retain trained staff that have cost so much to train and then having to train more staff to replace those who went to work at Lidl or Tescos etc.

Dh has been in and out of hospital for years.
We have watched how the wards operate and we can see the ridiculous waste and when we have asked why they do such things we are told it has always been done that way.
It might only be something that costs 10p but the amount of times per day it is done across all hospitals and then multiplied by 365 days it starts to add up over a year as a significant amount.

For me personally I needed an mri to see what exactly was going on with my hip/back/pelvis. To save the £300 the mri would have cost I was put through 7 years of consultant and physio appointments which were purely guesswork. I think my “guesswork” probably cost in the region of £250,000. I couldn’t work so wasn’t contributing to the NHS so you have to add that on top So probably close to £300,000

It eventually took me going private for them to diagnose me, have an mri and put me right. Total cost under £1000

Think of how much more you could pay people if they stopped guessing and actually started diagnosing and listening.

With dh’s cancer if they had sent him for tests when he went in and said he thought he had bowel cancer as he had all the symptoms on his first appointment he wouldn’t have had to take up a hospital bed for 9 weeks and had to have 3 operations and lengthy chemo as it would have been found 6 months earlier.

The only organisation to blame for the state of the NHS is the NHS.

Think of how much more you could pay people if they stopped guessing and actually started diagnosing and listening

agree. I think there’s an awful lot of medics need to stop working from the assumption everyone is there for something trivial that they’ve read on dr google and are wasting time thinking a headache is a brain tumour.

I have a phd in a medical field. I get two responses, either the dr stops and will ask me what my field is, or I’ll get a dismissive laugh and “somebody’s checked dr google”. The latter most usually with GP’s.

The NHS receives more funding, in real terms, than it has ever received before.

Maybe more funding would improve things, but that’s not the source of all of the problems. Too many staff just don’t care. Look at the scandal just the other day of the ambulance service fraudulently amending records to cover mistakes, or all of the mothers and babies who dies because of sub-standard treatment which was covered up.

Alder Hey was not down to funding.

@BattenbergdowntheHatches

You seem to be suggesting we scrap the state?

What would we have instead?

Do you not think consultants should be well paid?

@SlightlyGeordieJohn

No, alder hey was down to sexism.

Its a shame people can't see and appreciate all the amazing, life saving and life improving work the NHS. How much we all owe and rely on it (especially after the last 2 years) but hey ho.

It will still be there for you until the tories finally manage to completely destroy it

People like you maybe need to start stepping up to the plate and paying your fair share then, rather than sitting there with your hands out wanting someone else to lay more.

People who didn't expect a doctor wage?

@SlightlyGeordieJohn

I pay my fair share thanks. I dont avoid or evade tax.

I dont minimise or try to be tax efficient

I dont over use or abuse the nhs.

We have a progressive tax system in the UK. Those who earn the most should pay the most. Thats fair

@BattenbergdowntheHatches

I'm not sure how you think you can pass on emergency care if you need it but good luck with that

@BattenbergdowntheHatches

Or move to France?

It is all entirely intentional too.

Run the NHS into the ground until it is so bad people no longer want to save it and support increasing privatisation.

I agree, I'm top of my band, 4, and no progression planned. I have a band 3 position free and I've been out to advert 3 times now to try and fill it. It's so demoralising. I like working for the nhs but once my children have finished in school and I no longer need the flexibility I'll be moving on for better pay

*It is all entirely intentional too.

Run the NHS into the ground until it is so bad people no longer want to save it and support increasing privatisation*

yep. I was told by a clinical commisioner that the gov were increasing funding but deliberately not making any changes to “prove” it wasn’t lack of funding that is the problem, and support the move to a private health model.

@Philisophigal My advice, as healthvare professional at a managerial level is to stop the persecution complex and get on with doing your job well.

So... you sit in an office Mon-Fri 9-5 earning £40-50k/year, getting up to pee whenever you feel the urge, sometimes having a cup of tea or a snack at your desk? Not actually interacting with patients, coming up with new guidelines and box-ticking exercises for the minions on the shop floor? Cool!
One of my band 5 colleagues (so on about £27k/year) got strangled by a patient last week who was angry about wait times, leaving dark bruising all around her neck.
For a couple weeks running the staffing on our ward was so short that one of my heavily pregnant colleagues didn't get a single break during any of her 12.5 hour shifts. Her "lunches" were biscuits she ate whilst sat on the toilet for 5 minutes. She's also been kicked in the stomach by a patient whilst visibly pregnant. She's on about £20-21k/year.
Twice recently I've had to stay at work for an additional 2 hours past the end of my 12.5 hour night shift because nobody turned up to relieve me and there weren't enough staff to pull from elsewhere.
I don't think any of my colleagues could even tell you how many hours a week of unpaid overtime they do when you account for missed lunch breaks, staying past the end of your shift to do paperwork, mop up a haemorrhage, debrief with a patient who's had a traumatic experience...
Can't think why any of us have a "persecution complex" or why staff burnout and attrition are at an all-time high. Guess we must all just be a load of crybabies :)

@BearBibble

But sure the pension makes it all worth it

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This.

I'm Band 2. I answer phones.

In another Band 2 position, I was part of a specialist sterile pharmacy support team, maintaining a huge clean (sterile) area, handling isotopes and cleaning isolators and prepping for pharmacy runs.

This required specialist training, assessment and working environment, learning all the working guidelines and laws associated with sterile pharmaceutical production and radioactivity, how to do specialist clean ups of isotope spills and how to deal with the specialist cleaning agents needed to work in the clean environment.

All the while, getting the same rate as the cleaner in the corridor outside.

The inconsistencies between bands are shocking.

A lot of it is favouritism, with upper management turning a blind eye to poor practices and what would ordinarily be called fraud anywhere else.