To think that having to have a DBS check to home educate is unfair.

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Baroness Garden is intending all homeschool parents to be DBS checked. I don't think this is fair. What makes Homeschool parents more likely to be abusive? Surely regular checks from the local LA should be enough? If the education system is failing so many children perhaps that is what's needs examining not parents. What's next? All pregnant women get DBS checked?

Trouble is that if they can't read they can't access most of the rest of the curriculum, beyond a certain age.

How long do you let it go on, attributing it to being a "late bloomer" rather than educational neglect? And by the time it's realised it's educational neglect, if it is, is there still time for the child to catch up with their peers?

At least with schoolchildren falling behind there's a few professionals who can give a realistic appraisal of what's happening (e.g. spotting dyslexia), and who have the skills to put in place remedial steps.

When genuinely illiterate gypsy and traveller parents are allowed to claim they're home educating their children from age 11, we have a problem, and those children are being failed by absolutely everyone.

A lot of the time it's not the kids in HE groups etc who are the issue. It's the families who claim their child is home educated, while providing no education whatsoever, only a religious education, or as a means to reduce the chances abuse will be picked up by a professional (as happened with Khyra Ishaq).

Can you prove this please?

I also think DBS checks are the most cost effective way for our appalling government to make it look like they're protecting children, when they should be funding proper checks and home education support.

It could trigger visits by social services, or the parents could be required to send their child to school.

Given the astounding lack of critical thinking displayed on here by some who seem to home-school, this is probably quite a good idea in many cases.

Notmycircus Khyra Ishaq wasn't home educated.

It's the other way round. Abusive parents may be more likely to take their children out of school, and use the excuse of home schooling to cover for it.

If a child is being kept out of sight of opthers in this way then I don't think that additional checks are unwarranted.

Fine, but what do you think a DBS will show? If they're guilty of child abuse / neglect that's in SS not Education. If they got caught breaking and entering 10 years ago it tells you nothing.

Prove that something "may" be the case? That's not something amenable to proof.

This is the issue I mention above, some of those in favour of home-schooling seem to lack even basic comprehension skills, and yet think that they should be allowed to just get on with "educating" their poor children without outside interference.

Maybe it could assess the risk of parents training their children up to be petty thieves, like a modern day, home-schooling Fagin? First lesson, "You've got to pick a pocket or twooo".

Of course it tells you something. It tells you that they are the sort of person who feels no problem doing great harm to others, and suggests that they really need to be closely loked at.

No-one with a serious criminal background should be allowed to keep their children out of school.

Of course it tells you something. It tells you that they are the sort of person who feels no problem doing great harm to others, and suggests that they really need to be closely loked at.

No-one with a serious criminal background should be allowed to keep their children out of school.

And yet no one cares about this person being the sole carer for the first five years, or for the other 18 hours a day.

So you're not allowed to teach reading and writing and all the rest, because you're a bad person, but the other 138 hours a week, crack on, social services have no concern.

Then perhaps don't even mention it. Why would you say that abusive parents "may" be more likely to home educate? What are you basing that on?

But they do care, there are health visits, and the doctor gets to see the children for vaccinations too.

Your argument really is facile, you are implying that if the system is not perfect, and doesn;t cover every child from birth then it's not worth doing.

You know that that makes no sense, so why post it?

Health visitor visits and vaccinations ( not normally done by a doctor though)aren't compulsory . I am not sure what your point is. Yes most preschoolers are seen by health care staff at some point before they go to school, but most home educated children are regularly seen by health care staff, football coaches, dance teachers, tutors, scoutleaders, friends and family etc too.

What makes you say that? Do you think that many home educating parents are "modern day Fagins"? Do you think that many home educated children are thieves?

I was clearly joking. Have you bothered to read any of my posts on this thread?

EXACTLY this.
Abusive parents often try to alienate their child/ren from mixing with others, and home educating is the perfect way to do this.
I've thought for a long time that home educators should have more checks and training anyway. The way it stands at the moment there are far too few checks and basically anyone can 'home school'.
A girl I know was 'home schooled' but all her mum had her doing was housework and cooking, which is so so wrong. She didn't get a single GCSE and is now 30 and has been working in McDonald's for a decade.

Lack of clarity on my post about what they care about. They care if my child is fed, healthy, clean. They don't care enough to DBS check DH and I regularly to check if we're withholding criminal convictions.
If I was guilty of previous child abuse etc SS would be invoked. But if I'm trusted to RAISE my children despite my criminal record I should be trusted to educate them.

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Does everyone who attends school pass exams and get a job then? Do children and young people not endure peer on peer abuse?

3 of mine attend school I even went to tribunal for one. My youngest is EHE. It's sort of amusing that if it was deemed I was not providing a suitable education and an SAO was issued, our local school is the only one that has spaces. Its Ofsted record (since academisation following special measures) is RI, Inadequate, RI. Going back to 2012ish.

I'd not comply with a DBS but I just fail to see that it would be a useful measure. I believe the Baroness has been engaging positively since the reading with some EHE parents. It seems it was more an off the cuff suggestion, not especially aimed at EHE parents.

If your community is being used as a shield to hide child abuse, then something needs to change. I understand that its upsetting, because you feel you are being tarred with the same brush. If you can think of a better solution then suggest it.

"clearly joking" ? Accusing home educating parents of training their children up to become thieves is not something to joke about. It's prejudice. Very unpleasant.

What did you do about the girl's situation at the time?
What's wrong with working at Mc Donald's?

I don't agree. Do you have the appropriate educational qualifications? Are you academically able to? Do you know how to cater for special educational needs?

The idea that just anyone is capable of educating children is wrong, and it;s definitely not the case that anyone has the right to say that they are withdrawing them from education and not expect periodic checks on how they are doing.

One decent starting point could be to ask parents who wish to take their children out of school to write a few paragraphs first to explain why. Anyone who turns in something written like the above could be politely told that it's not going to happen.

Should be LOTS of checks and MORE checks

If you've nothing to hide, you shouldn't have a problem with it.