American needs to fight against terror closer to home

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And focus their energy on teenage boys who seem to be causing terror frequently by shooting us schools. Supermarkets etc etc.

What never ceases to amaze me is somehow these shooters manage to escape the stereotypes that others ethnic groups find it impossible to shake off.

RIP to those dead ok the latest massacre in the US.

The US needs to fight against terror and start with those close to home.

@Florenz
How do you go about taking their guns from them ?
Same way any other country does

There was a time when immigrants from Ireland, Italy and Eastern Europe were not considered white in the US. Some people still feel this way.

The USA is Insane about this kind of thing. Seriously. Many in the USA didn't, still don't, even known thier own basic history, never mind that of other countries

Josephdemaistre, Switzerland has one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, but a very low rate of gun crime so your argument is wrong.

Hi! I'm Hispanic. I'm not white. But my mother, who is also Hispanic, is white! I have a common Hispanic name similar to Ramos. My father was indigenous to my home country and definitely non-white. We don't use Hispanic personally, rather preferring Latino or our indigenous identifier, but Hispanic does not equal non-white and based on his photos and his name there is no way to know if the murderer is white or not.

You can be Mexican, American, Columbian, Canadian, or Spanish, or any nationality, and have a Spanish -language origin name and have an olive skin tone and you can still be white. You can be named Juan and speak only Spanish and be born and raised in Mexico City and be white. And there are many latino/hispanic people including Texaz senator Ted Cruz and the leader of the Proud Boys whose name I forget who are extremely racist and white supremacist and who are also Hispanic and white.

So god only knows this particular monster's bacground or racial beliefs or what they might have to do with his murders but you absolutely cannot rule out a racial motive based on the fact that he is named Ramos and has a tan, which is all we can say about him right now AFAIK.

I hate this attitude.

It IS about gun access and ownership FFS and this is why we don't see school shootings in the UK and many many other countries around the world.

To deny this truth is to be complicit and part of the problem. Expect this to happen AGAIN because the root cause which is access to firearms, is not being addressed.

BBC website last night was saying 43 mass shootings for May alone, and 215 for the year so far according to a US non profit group called the gun violence archive.

The constant racialisation of everything is a big problem in the USA. It's an obsession. It's often how Americans introduce themselves to the world.

Like "Hi there, I'm 1/4 Irish, 1/4 Scotch Irish , an 1/8 Polish and a 1/4 Cuban African and I have a Cherokee grt grt grt grt uncle". They say this as if their ethnic ancestry is the most interesting thing about them.

Anyone outside America just thinks 'oh so you're American then, born and raised in America'

Throw that old argument out to defend NRA policies? You're full of it....

....laws in Switzerland regarding gun control are often completely misinterpreted. It’s touted as a gun-loving country with one of the highest rates of gun ownership in the world, but in fact, there is still only about half the number of guns per capita in Switzerland than in the United States (the most liberal of estimates place ownership at 46 guns per 100 people vs. 89 guns per 100 people in the US)...

Absolutely clueless.

Is it wrong of me to say that if mass bloodshed of gun-toting adults happens, at least it won’t be little kids that are bearing the brunt?

Wtf!

I just picked that from the top hit I saw but admittedly that was an American site, clearly one with an agenda.

Sorry who gives a shit what race this dude was?

19 children are dead and people want to bicker over the definition of ‘white’?

No other country has allowed millions of people to be armed as if they were in the military.

The US Govt would face civil war if it tried to remove weapons from these people.

All they can do is try and limit who can buy a firearm and what sort... but even that seems beyond their law makers to do and with a Supreme court in favour of the right, any such laws would be over turned.

As tragic as it is, these mass killings have no end.

Do you understand that America is not the world? You've even got the nerve to tell Spanish people that they need to classify themselves now according to Amercian standards
Im sick to death of Americans telling Europeans what they should be. Sick of American racial and cultural theory overwhelming Europe

Is it wrong of me to say that if mass bloodshed of gun-toting adults happens, at least it won’t be little kids that are bearing the brunt?
Yes and no. If it really did prevent any more school massacres that would be one thing - bit it likely wouldn't be effective and would be at the cost of a lot of adult lives. Someone upthread mentioned the Prohibition era in the USA - thsi would be a repeat of that, with all the violence and criminality it caused.

Sorry, just one comment on the race issue. I always find it interesting that Hispanic (so of Spanish origin) people are regarded as non-white in the US, but white in the UK.

I remember being very confused when Rosa (Hispanic) in Brooklyn 99 said that the police needed to treat ‘people like me’ more fairly. In my eyes she was white, so I didn’t understand at first.

But yes, I do know there is a lot of prejudice in the US against Hispanic people.

Guns need to be banned. How can that not help?

It wouldn’t just be ‘fun toting adults’ (I’m presuming you mean private citizens that refuse to comply with a hypothetical ban on firearms or certain firearms) it would be law enforcement, innocent people in the wrong place at the wrong time, any children in a targeted household..

Because most adults with weapons can’t be relied upon to keep their children safe?

Do you honestly think it would be worse than what is literally happening right now? I don’t.

Ken Paxton, Texas' attorney-general, claimed that arming teachers could keep children safe in the future.
Talk about missing the point.

“Because most adults with weapons can’t be relied upon to keep their children safe”

No one is safe when live fire is being exchanged.

Look at it what happened at at Ruby Ridge, the Weavers were eventually paid a significant amount of compensation for the killing of their son Sammy.

So whats the answer? More fortification of schools? Gun turrets on every corner of a school boundary? Children in kevlar vests?

People seem to have opinions on why guns shouldn't be more stictly controlled but they don't have any solutions going forward

Easy to say that and not actually have any answers.

Why does a private citizen in the US need to be able to own an assault rifle, or to be able to carry an unlicenced handgun hidden under their clothes when going to the shops?

I'll wait.

My opinion is simply about the practicalities of gun control in the USA, not the desirability.

You are right, I don't have any solutions "going forward". I am not in the USA. People in the USA will have to sort this out - I see no prospect of any solution because of the politics, economics and culture of the USA.

Of course if we had a time machine we could hop in it and uninvent guns or something......

Easy to say that and not actually have any answers.

Why does a private citizen in the US need to be able to own an assault rifle, or to be able to carry an unlicenced handgun hidden under their clothes when going to the shops?
I'll wait.

They don't - but trying to translate that into a ban (and much more importantly the collection and destruction of ALL existing weapons) is not possible in a US context, not without a massive shift in US opinions amongst the vast majority of people there - and that isn't going to happen, as sad as that is.