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Universeandpeace19 · 24/05/2022 13:20

Please tell me if im being unreasonable because if I am then fair enough and I'll just put it behind me!!!

So my partners daughter is now 10 I have been in her life since she was three me and my partner have also had a son.

Contact with my stepdaughter was inconsistent for around 4 years of being with her dad due to reasons such as she does not want to come she wants to stay at home she isn't comfortable at our house she has other commitments. Stepdaughter mum has never had any rules for stepdaughter so we never had anything to go by (as i asked plenty of times what is her routine and we will stick to it our end there never was one so we all did it the best we could)

We would then get messages like I'm stopping contact because you can't always expect to be the fun parent and take her out all day. We didnt do this for competition we did this because we didn't enjoy just sitting at home doing nothing all day me and and partner aren't sit indoors types when we're alone, we like to be out and about and as blantant as that she stopped contact no joke!

Then a few weeks later we would get messages such as I am struggling with my mental health and I was all over the place she misses you I think she should come and stay for 2 weeks so just like that we hadn't been allowed contact for a few months we would send letters and pictures and boxes of stuff to her address because we wasn't allowed to speak to her on the phone this is when she was around 3-7 so bam we now have a child for 2 weeks straight it was uncomfortable for all of us and would take a few days to settle I can't imagine how it must of felt for my SD to all of a sudden not see or speak to her mum for 2 whole weeks we would try and call but SD wouldn't speak on the phone or her mum wouldn't answer if we called her mum for things like what does she eat or what time does she go to bed she would say it's your time not my job to guide you through it to make it easier for yourselves.

Anyway SD is clearly affected by this in the types of behavior she shows but we just love her laugh joke and talk about her and what she likes to do she has no idea how we feel about the situation she is a child and it's not her place to carry emotions she did not cause.

So when I fell pregnant with my son I told my partner we need to go to court for regular contact this had always been a conversation before hand but we never had the money to process the application as we was private renting but due to moving into a council flat it freed up alot of money and we used everything we saved for the baby for court I brought everything for my son second hand his sister was worth more than a brand new pushchair!

The court granted access within a few weeks of the application we were told by the solicitor they said mums reasons for stopping contact were taken lightly and they felt we had every right to have her we then started to have her every other weekend and half the holidays it was an adjustment at first but it started to get easier as she became more comfortable and at home.

Then we got hit with the news her mum and new and latest boyfriend got married after 2 weeks of knowing each other and was moving her children away she had 2 boys and SD the two boys did not see there father either.

They moved 280 miles away now my partner traveld still every other weekend picking her up and dropping her off so with maintenence included we were paying 500 a month just to pick her up and pay maintenence.

He begged his ex please can they stop the maintenance so he could continue the regular relationship with his daughter and the only reason he asked this was because she told him that they were moving away because her husband is on 49k a year and there house is included so we just assumed I suppose for the sake of her coming was important we still offered to pay for school trips and uniform like we did spearatly anyway but then our financial situation got worse and we was turning to food banks as I was on maternity and going without power for a few days until payday it was starting to wear me down. She did not agree to stop payments.

So we had to stop seeing SD because we could not afford it we only saw her once a month and then half the holidays:(

Then some good luck happend after 6 months of having to send evidence and train tickets for travel blah blah and the court order the maintenence went down by 100 pound which freed up the fare to be able to pay maintenence and pick up SD regular again but the same say she then went to collect and pay which adds 20% on to the amount you pay.

WHY IS SHE DOING THIS???

Why does she not want us to have a relationship why I'm so sick of it I've had enough its not fair he's an amazing father and now my son is affected by it too because does not see his sister as much its horrible I hate it!!!!

OP posts:
Whowhatwherewhenwhynow · 24/05/2022 14:28

Wow I’m so sorry this is really hard.
your SD’’s mum sounds quite chaotic. Sadly I doubt that will change any time soon. Some people just really struggle to lead a calm life and deal with ex’s amicably.

the positive is your SD is getting older. In another couple of years she will start wanting more say around when she sees you both, she’ll have a phone etc. Contact will be less reliant on her mum as time goes on.

RedPlumbob · 24/05/2022 14:31

As for Collect and Pay - CMS gave my ex chance after chance, for a total of 15 months - during which time I got NO payments - before swapping to that. Lots of other RPs I know have had the same. So you’d have had plenty of opportunity and warning to cough up of your own accord.

Testina · 24/05/2022 14:34

“when I fell pregnant with my son I told my partner we need to go to court for regular contact this had always been a conversation before hand but we never had the money to process the application”

This is bullshit. For 4 years this went on, without agreed contact. FOUR. If he didn’t have the money, he didn’t have the money to start a second family with you. Yet he did.

You sound great, but all the actions get are “we” or “I”.

Like I said, I’d like to hear both sides. 4 years of interrupted contact and he did nothing.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 24/05/2022 14:38

jugglerofballs · 24/05/2022 13:31

Sorry, too hard to read due to lack of sentences.

If you are not able to read it then why bother? OP could have done without your input. I'm so sick of reading posters like you who do nothing but have a pop at SPaG; just stop it.

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OP, I'm not sure what recourse you/your husband have but it sounds a very unfair outcome to me. Yes, your husband has to pay maintenance but surely there is a fairer way of ensuring access than this? SD mum's actions are affecting all the children involved and it could really be handled so much better than this.

You clearly love your step-child and I think your husband could do worse than getting some professional advice from a solicitor with a view to getting the boundaries established/re-established. The sooner the better.

I hope there's a resolution to this soon, for all of your sakes.

ATadConfused · 24/05/2022 14:43

Why didn't he get an order so she couldn't move her so far away?

Why do people do it? Because they can & because they enjoy the power & making life difficult. No matter how much they hurt their kids in the process.

Make sure he didn't agree to 'collect & pay'

Just keep on keeping on. It's all you can do really.

TheOrigRights · 24/05/2022 14:45

So when I fell pregnant with my son I told my partner we need to go to court for regular contact this had always been a conversation before hand but we never had the money to process the application

Representing yourself in court for a Child Arrangement Order is a matter of a few hundred pounds. Not insignificant obviously, but it sounds like that could have been made a priority for your family.

The father should not have to call the mother to ask what to feed his child.

While I appreciate your financial situation was very difficult, you can't just opt out of paying for your child. Obviously the amount needed to be re-calculated.

As a PP said, you should have stepped in when the child's mother decided to move away.

Universeandpeace19 · 24/05/2022 14:50

Her new husband was in the army our solicitor told us that it wouldn't be granted because they were married and he had to re locate for work.

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Swayingpalmtrees · 24/05/2022 14:53

With all due respect, I think you need to distance yourself. As much as you clearly love the child and are close to her you are not her parent, you are not going to change this set up either.

You have your own child, just focus on him, enjoy your SD when you see her and try not to worry about it. Feeling so angry and upset will help no one.

Don't worry I am sure the mother will be back needing more help in the not so distant future. Your SD is lucky to have you. Make the most of the time you have with her when it arises and stay out of the arrangements and leave that to your partner.

Swayingpalmtrees · 24/05/2022 14:54

For your own benefit, and for your son. Be flexible as you have been, do as much as you can with the resources that you have and leave it at that.

Blueeyedgirl21 · 24/05/2022 14:56

OP is right if the stepdaughter’s new stepdad is in the military they would not undertake any orders to stop them moving with stepdaughter the military move is above all

I have a friend who is military married to military they divorced and got posted opposite ends of the country the only solution was boarding school for the dc half way between not even joking

Saz12 · 24/05/2022 15:01

Sounds like your DP isn’t as involved/aware of his DC needs as he should have been. Calling to ask what she’d eat? When to put her to bed?

Could he have asked / arranged for her to pay some of the travel cost rather than ask for a maintenance reduction?

I don’t doubt that the mother is being a pita and enjoying playing power games and pudding you all off, But it doesn’t sound like ur DP is brilliant either...,

Universeandpeace19 · 24/05/2022 15:02

I'm sorry this post seems to upset you so much not my intent

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Manekinek0 · 24/05/2022 15:02

Why has the CM changed to collect and pay? That can't be chosen by the RP, it happens because of missed of late payments. I know this because my ex cycles through not paying, CM put him on collect and pay, he still doesn't pay and then it goes to attachment of earnings, then after paying on time for 3 months he asks to pay directly and we are back to the start again.

So after paying on time for 3 months CM ring up and ask to make direct payments.

As for the rest of it, I think all you can do is keep on trying. Do your best, don't rise to the games and eventually kids see things for what they are.

SeasonFinale · 24/05/2022 15:06

The reality is you can't opt ouit of child maintenance so of course they would go for any arrears.

If the cost of travel is prohibitive why not at least make sure he sees her once a month if he can't do every other weekend and for longer in the holidays?

Delinathe · 24/05/2022 15:11

Come on people. Stop going straight in with a dig about sentences etc. It's perfectly possible to read this without pointing out how superior you are, and if you can't manage that, just don't comment.

Universeandpeace19 · 24/05/2022 15:13

Saz12 · 24/05/2022 15:01

Sounds like your DP isn’t as involved/aware of his DC needs as he should have been. Calling to ask what she’d eat? When to put her to bed?

Could he have asked / arranged for her to pay some of the travel cost rather than ask for a maintenance reduction?

I don’t doubt that the mother is being a pita and enjoying playing power games and pudding you all off, But it doesn’t sound like ur DP is brilliant either...,

Well the routine and food is more when SD has been away for a while and feels uncomfortable when her mum says we can have her for two weeks straight so yes we do need guidance not once it became regular she made herself food the effect it had on SD we wanted to do whatever we could to make her happy so we wanted to know her home routine. and my partner works very hard for this family!!! And also had regular contact with his daughter before he met me

It's not different from when my son goes to nursery and they ask me what time does he nap he has his favorite snacks on him I actually give a shit about what the child wants and your comments like that tell me that your more important than children I don't like that so I don't validate your comment at all and I'm amazing with criticism but this is a hate comment please no more not interested.

So blame me I am the reason the contact became inconsistent and you don't know our financial situation how can you say that's bullshit and we used a solicitor after getting advice to do so to speed up the process as we was in covid still!!!! And it worked because I have read many other stories of people saying it takes months we had the order granted within weeks

Anything else you want me to clear up?

And for the people who say distance myself please don't comment either this is my family it happens people have children with others and move on it does not mean we get to control one another's lifes because we aren't happy with our own i love my SD and she is my sons sister and I will fight and fight for the RIGHT THING not the norm

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alphons · 24/05/2022 15:16

It sounds like you've been dealt a bad hand, in your choice of partner. You, and probably he, mean well it seems. But, life can be shit sometimes.

I've found that when it is, I have to focus on what matters most. In this case, it's your SD's relationship with her dad (first), her half-brother (second) and you (third). That means, at aged 10, that she knows you love her unconditionally, that you are always available to her within your means. Poor lass is growing up far too fast, having to suffer for her parents' decisions.

On the plus side, technology can help us. If she doesn't have a tablet for video calls, perhaps this can be something that you set up with her so that you can communicate as frequently as you can. Not as good as seeing her in person, but better than nothing.

Just knowing that your home is her home, whenever she can get to it, will be a lot. Knowing that you love her and want her, is a lot. Being a solid and stable presence in what sounds like a chaotic life at her mum's, is a lot. Try to focus on what you can do for her, even if it feels like it's not enough. What else can you do, after all.

CapricornCrescent · 24/05/2022 15:31

How can he get a prohibited steps order when she's already moved? Op your post is so difficult to read owing to lack of paragraphs.. I would suggest posting in Legal if I were you.

momtoboys · 24/05/2022 15:32

I couldn't make heads nor tails out of what is happening. What was clear is that you are stressed by this situation and I'm sorry this is causing you such angst.

Testina · 24/05/2022 15:49

I can happily say it’s bullshit that your husband didn’t have enough money to try to sort out contact for 4 years because it really doesn’t take much to apply to re court himself.

Are you really telling me he didn’t have money for 4 years?

Louise0701 · 24/05/2022 15:50

From what I could grasp; of course your husband still has to pay maintenance. Yes, it’s shit she moved so far away but her husbands income has no relevance on whether your husband is financially responsible for his own child.

Louise0701 · 24/05/2022 15:58

Massive drip feed that they relocated because her step dad is in the forces.

Ultimately, your husband didn’t do enough and choose to have a 2nd child when he couldn’t afford to prioritise the one he already had.

Anonymous48 · 24/05/2022 16:04

Delinathe · 24/05/2022 15:11

Come on people. Stop going straight in with a dig about sentences etc. It's perfectly possible to read this without pointing out how superior you are, and if you can't manage that, just don't comment.

It really is incredibly hard to read due to the lack of sentences. I don't think people are making a dig. They are just stating why they were unable to understand the whole post.

TheOrigRights · 24/05/2022 16:12

Anonymous48 · 24/05/2022 16:04

It really is incredibly hard to read due to the lack of sentences. I don't think people are making a dig. They are just stating why they were unable to understand the whole post.

I don't think it's the same for everyone. It looks fine to me. Very clear paragraphs. However, when people post a picture I can barely see it. It's the new 'random view' upgrade!

TheOrigRights · 24/05/2022 16:13

See, clear paragraphs in the OP.

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