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Insta post re Britney Spears

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confuzedd · 22/05/2022 07:25

The latest post on her instagram is a two minute video of her impersonating her therapist and I can't quite tell if it is genius (kind of comedy genius but then it is so traumatic that I'm not sure we should see it as a joke) or if it is something else.

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Onwards22 · 22/05/2022 09:22

It’s obvious she has MH issues and she has recently lost a baby which would send anyone over the edge.

I think a big problem is that because of the (rightly or wrongly) conservatorship. She’s not been able to post what she wanted on SM and she doesn’t know there are certain things you should and shouldn’t say.

A bit like Kanye West. If he says anything that’s going against the grain or is of his own opinion then people say he needs to be sectioned etc.

She may need more professional help or she’s just enjoying her freedom and should be able to act how she wants and not conform to what everyone thinks she should say/act.

Ponoka7 · 22/05/2022 10:19

I wish people would stop saying the 'rightly or wrongly' conservatorship. Many male stars have gone off the rails, been sectioned, committed crimes (which have been excused on poor mental health), ended up dead after serious drug abuse/ penniless, been taken for a ride from younger partners etc and no-one has shouted for a conservatorship. Other stars such as Macaulay Culkin emancipated himself at 16 and it was never suggested that he needed control even at the point of his heroin addiction. Other female stars have been emancipated via court at 15-19 years old even though there was ongoing drug abuse.

ReadyToMoveIt · 22/05/2022 10:29

RubyJam · 22/05/2022 07:55

How do you know it was “ state sanctioned abuse “

To be honest , everything she’s been posting in the last few months points towards the conservatorship being 100% the correct thing for her.

She does seem mentally unwell and poorly guided.

If I was like this would I expect my husband to just stand there and film me and let me post naked shots - No ! He would be concerned and try to guide me and get me some help.

Seems she has no help at all now.
Its went from full control to zero and look what’s happening …

A conservatorship isn’t the best things for anybody.
She is clearly mentally ill, and angry, and lashing out. Keeping someone under 24 hour ‘observation’, forcing them to take medication with no say in the matter, not allowing them to drive their own car or talk to friends, forcing them to perform, not allowing them to spend their own money or have any agency over their body… that’s not the way to help her with her problems.

JetTail · 22/05/2022 10:32

Why would you say that she is clearly mentally unwell?
She's pissed off! That's all I see!

chiangmai · 22/05/2022 10:36

she clearly has poor mental health, her bizarre dancing videos, her nudes with little flowers covering her up. Why are people around her letting her do this to herself. This isnt about being free! She had a major breakdown all those years ago. Doing what she is doing now with strange behaviours for all to see. Her kids were and still are in the care of their father and she was recieving mental health treatment and i do worry she has stopped taking her medication. Her mental health issues didnt disappear when the control lifted...i feel sorry for her

RubyJam · 22/05/2022 10:43

If I was pissed off I wouldn’t strip naked , with bedraggled hair and make up , or dance in twisting moves continually staring at the camera.

Why are so many people blinkered to the fact that she has a mental illness

Its not Britney living her best “ free” life , she is being manipulated by fiancé and her PA , none of these people have her interests at heart.

Those that say “ other famous women strip naked “ , yes perhaps they do , but as part of an ad campaign , or styled and managed and paid etc , not just randomly stripping for free behind a door , or rolling around like a child in the sand ….
Her behaviour is bizarre and I find it strange that people are painting this behaviour as “ normal “ or “ freedom “ .

SexyLittleNosferatu · 22/05/2022 10:47

It’s quite clear from her declining mental health and manic episodes on social media that the conservatorship was very much needed

Do you think Kanye West "very much needs" a conservatorship? Or is it just women you feel need saving from themselves?

coffeecupsandfairylights · 22/05/2022 10:50

If I was pissed off I wouldn’t strip naked , with bedraggled hair and make up , or dance in twisting moves continually staring at the camera.

She's not just "pissed off", she's traumatised from over a decade of living under exceptionally controlling and abusive conditions. None of us would behave rationally or normally after that.

Why are so many people blinkered to the fact that she has a mental illness

I don't think anyone is saying she isn't mentally ill, but that doesn't mean her behaviour isn't a result of over a decade of trauma.

Its not Britney living her best “ free” life , she is being manipulated by fiancé and her PA , none of these people have her interests at heart.

How do you know she's being manipulated by these people?

Those that say “ other famous women strip naked “ , yes perhaps they do , but as part of an ad campaign , or styled and managed and paid etc , not just randomly stripping for free behind a door , or rolling around like a child in the sand ….

Other famous women haven't been living under a conservatorship for the past decade.

Her behaviour is bizarre and I find it strange that people are painting this behaviour as “ normal “ or “ freedom “

I don't think anyone has said her behaviour is normal - what people are saying is that it's not necessarily proof that she's mentally ill and requires more help - it's very likely to be the result of years of abuse, control and being forced to take medication etc. against her will.

Nobody, whether they're mentally ill or not, would come out of that behaving normally.

Midlifemusings · 22/05/2022 11:00

I think both things can be true. Her father was abusive and controlling and she is mentally ill. However there are many mentally ill people in the world who all live in their own worlds. If someone doesn't want treatment and isnt' harming themselves or others and the quality of life they have is one they are okay with and they are able to manage the basic necessities of life....then that is their decision. Most don't have a platform and audience of millions to watch their ill selves. However Britney's life has pretty much always been in the public eye so for her this is nothing new. If this is how she enjoys spending her life and doesnt' want treatment and is safe and not harming anyone, then it is her life to live.

She has a house, people to take care of her, pets, luxury vacations, a boyfriend. Her life is maybe how she wants it.

bellac11 · 22/05/2022 11:02

Sponge19 · 22/05/2022 07:40

Not true in the majority of cases though certainly appears to be in hers. It’s fairly evident at this point that she is beyond help

Are you saying that in the majority of cases where people are 'forced' to have therapy its productive?

Most therapists wont work with people unless they have true consent, its a complete oxymoron to say that forcing someone into therapy can have a good outcome

RubyJam · 22/05/2022 11:13

Yes @SexyLittleNosferatu , I’d say Kanye would benefit from conservatorship, he is also mentally unwell but in a delusional way , which can be dangerous.

ReadyToMoveIt · 22/05/2022 11:29

RubyJam · 22/05/2022 10:43

If I was pissed off I wouldn’t strip naked , with bedraggled hair and make up , or dance in twisting moves continually staring at the camera.

Why are so many people blinkered to the fact that she has a mental illness

Its not Britney living her best “ free” life , she is being manipulated by fiancé and her PA , none of these people have her interests at heart.

Those that say “ other famous women strip naked “ , yes perhaps they do , but as part of an ad campaign , or styled and managed and paid etc , not just randomly stripping for free behind a door , or rolling around like a child in the sand ….
Her behaviour is bizarre and I find it strange that people are painting this behaviour as “ normal “ or “ freedom “ .

Maybe she does have a mental illness… we’re not qualified to diagnose. If she does, she needs support. Not a conservatorship.

RubyJam · 22/05/2022 12:09

Yes , I fully agree she needs support and I really wish her well.❤️

Mrpunchisagit · 22/05/2022 12:21

coffeecupsandfairylights · 22/05/2022 10:50

If I was pissed off I wouldn’t strip naked , with bedraggled hair and make up , or dance in twisting moves continually staring at the camera.

She's not just "pissed off", she's traumatised from over a decade of living under exceptionally controlling and abusive conditions. None of us would behave rationally or normally after that.

Why are so many people blinkered to the fact that she has a mental illness

I don't think anyone is saying she isn't mentally ill, but that doesn't mean her behaviour isn't a result of over a decade of trauma.

Its not Britney living her best “ free” life , she is being manipulated by fiancé and her PA , none of these people have her interests at heart.

How do you know she's being manipulated by these people?

Those that say “ other famous women strip naked “ , yes perhaps they do , but as part of an ad campaign , or styled and managed and paid etc , not just randomly stripping for free behind a door , or rolling around like a child in the sand ….

Other famous women haven't been living under a conservatorship for the past decade.

Her behaviour is bizarre and I find it strange that people are painting this behaviour as “ normal “ or “ freedom “

I don't think anyone has said her behaviour is normal - what people are saying is that it's not necessarily proof that she's mentally ill and requires more help - it's very likely to be the result of years of abuse, control and being forced to take medication etc. against her will.

Nobody, whether they're mentally ill or not, would come out of that behaving normally.

Are you a trauma specialist qualified to diagnose her? I am so confused by your posts saying definitely what’s wrong with her, but part of me suspects you’re some random with no qualifications and no clue just making it up?

everyone can see something is deeply wrong, but you’re the only one diagnosing her and saying it’s trauma Specifically. The issue is none of us understand why you feel so qualified to diagnose her like this and post it all over the internet.

JetTail · 22/05/2022 12:44

She is not free! That is enough to fucking fuck you up!
You don't agree with coercive control being a crime?

coffeecupsandfairylights · 22/05/2022 15:00

Are you a trauma specialist qualified to diagnose her? I am so confused by your posts saying definitely what’s wrong with her, but part of me suspects you’re some random with no qualifications and no clue just making it up?

I never said I was an expert did I? I'm just commenting in the same way you are - isn't that how discussion boards work?

My point is that if anyone had living under state-sanctioned coercive control or a decade, they'd be pretty traumatised and fucked up, whether they were originally mentally unwell or not.

I'm also not the only one who has said she's traumatised Hmm @StrictlyAFemaleFemale also said as much.

knittingaddict · 22/05/2022 15:07

SexyLittleNosferatu · 22/05/2022 10:47

It’s quite clear from her declining mental health and manic episodes on social media that the conservatorship was very much needed

Do you think Kanye West "very much needs" a conservatorship? Or is it just women you feel need saving from themselves?

I'm not the person you quoted, but yes I do think KW needs an intervention of some sort and possible a conservatorship.

My mil was severely mentally ill. I know what it's like to have a family member who is either a danger to themselves and others or a drugged up zombie. She never admitted to being ill. There really was no helping her.

coffeecupsandfairylights · 22/05/2022 15:14

I find it really disturbing how many people support state conservatorship over other people.

Lilypad221 · 22/05/2022 15:41

Ponoka7 · 22/05/2022 10:19

I wish people would stop saying the 'rightly or wrongly' conservatorship. Many male stars have gone off the rails, been sectioned, committed crimes (which have been excused on poor mental health), ended up dead after serious drug abuse/ penniless, been taken for a ride from younger partners etc and no-one has shouted for a conservatorship. Other stars such as Macaulay Culkin emancipated himself at 16 and it was never suggested that he needed control even at the point of his heroin addiction. Other female stars have been emancipated via court at 15-19 years old even though there was ongoing drug abuse.

It's pointless comparing other celebrities to Britney. Every person and their exact circumstances is different. It's likely Britney's family didn't want her to end up broke or dead, at least for her children's sake. Any decent family would have had a serious intervention. It's unlikely that her dad is the mastermind people think he is. Think about it, why would he want to control his adult daughter, at his age and in poor health? I'm very skeptical that he even set out the terms of the conservatorship either. That sounds like a specialist job.

People need to understand that Britney's truth is not the only truth. Don't get me wrong, she deserves justice for any mistreatment and exploitation she has experienced during the conservatorship and she can now pursue legal action as she should but the idea that her family should've sat back and let her self destruct is disturbing.

ReadyToMoveIt · 22/05/2022 15:43

coffeecupsandfairylights · 22/05/2022 15:14

I find it really disturbing how many people support state conservatorship over other people.

Same. Very disturbing.

Midlifemusings · 22/05/2022 16:15

PS Macauley Caulkin has refuted the claims he was ever a heroin addict and says that people used paparazzi pictures to create a whole narrative about him that was not true at all.

DolphinaPD · 22/05/2022 16:33

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Exactly. She's not mental just because she isn't sitting quietly in her box being kind.

DolphinaPD · 22/05/2022 16:35

DashboardConfessional · 22/05/2022 08:18

What do you mean by "celebrity mums"? I don't think a maternity shoot for a magazine is the same as posting a naked iPhone photo on your social media the week after a miscarriage.

Whys that? Because no one is making money off it/her?

I think that's her point/reasoning for posting them.

Kittykat93 · 22/05/2022 16:36

I think she's mentally unwell. Her behaviour is not that of someone who is well. I'm interested to know if the people who are saying she's fine would think the same if it was their neighbour posting constant naked pictures for everyone to see, filming bizarre videos of themselves, talking complete nonsense?

I really like Britney and feel so bad for everything she's been through. I just feel like she needs help - she has children who are probably seeing all of this stuff too and it must affect them.

LuckySantangelo35 · 22/05/2022 16:45

She must have had some really shit therapists if her impersonations are accurate

and blimey she is mentally unwell. Yes, a reaction to trauma. And she is still mentally unwell. The two are not mutually exclusive.