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AIBU?

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...to end this friendship?

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wallpoppy · 21/05/2022 22:10

Been friends with Jane for 15 years. I would say we're fairly close - we've been on holiday together, I was one of her bridesmaids, I even kept her kids for a week once when she needed to go abroad to deal with her partner who was in a terrible car crash while travelling for work (he recovered and is fine now thank goodness). She's had a hard time in her career over the last few years, missing out on promotions and pay rises - she is in a really niche industry so it's not easy to just apply somewhere else so she just stays where she is and complains. The issue is that she has recently made one particular woman the focus of her blame for her issues at work and has twice now said very racist things to me about it. She hasn't called the woman a racial slur or anything, but she has said that the woman has only got where she is at work because of her race and says that the company keeps this woman in the public-facing leadership position that Jane desperately wants because they just want a "brown face" to tick the diversity box. I myself am an ethnic minority- indigenous to a Central American country- but I'm pretty much white-passing so white British people will often say things in front of me that they wouldn't say in front of someone Black or Asian.

The first time Jane said this to me, I said she had no proof of that and even if she thought she did have proof that it was a racist thing to say. She apologised and agreed that it was inappropriate but that she was just upset. I saw her this week at her house for tea and she has gone back to saying the same things, and that she doesn't feel it's racist because she now has "evidence" to back it up, because "other people [at her company] agree" and because this woman apparently made a mistake that "anyone else would have been fired for".

We fell out, I said I wasn't going to listen anymore and that I was really disappointed in her and I went home early.

She's now sent me an apologetic message - not apologising for the racism, but for bringing it up again when she knew I wouldn't want to hear it. She has promised not to mention it again. But this very much feels like a "sorry you were offended" apology because the only thing she thinks she did wrong was to upset me. I know she still feels the same way and will continue this racist talk and behaviour with other people aside from me.

AIBU to leave her on "read" and let the relationship die? Or should I try to talk her around and make her understand? I suppose the other option is to do what she wants and just to compartmentalise her racism from the rest of who she is and from our relationship but I don't feel like I can.

OP posts:
BoDerek · 22/05/2022 11:46

I don’t think you need to justify yourself in here. If a friendship isn’t working it’s fine to leave it behind, you don’t need to ask permission or even opinions from others.

I am finishing a friendship with a Jane of 15 years too and I also was honest with her about why and received a sorry you’re offended reply. I wish she had responded better but 🤷‍♀️

WakeMeUpWhenTheyHaveGone · 22/05/2022 12:22

saraclara · 22/05/2022 09:33

There is a nuance to this though, he’s not saying hire mediocre women and minorities. He’s saying think about where you are placing ads, advertise in more diverse places e.g. sites for women back to work following Mat leave, call recruiters who have experience head hunting diverse talent. This way the pool of candidates is wider. Then when after the rounds of interviews if you have 2 strong candidates. If one has protected characteristics hire that one.

Your company has it right, and that's exactly how the recruiting should work. But sadly that's not the case in many companies, especially smaller ones that might not have the funds or the contacts to advertise more widely or pay recruiters. And of course many simply get it wrong through lack of expertise or awareness.

We've learned from our mistake, and we are now taking the route that yours does, and finding less well known and more targeted places to advertise vacancies. But there are still companies and organisations that are getting it wrong, and employees of theirs who are rightfully annoyed when their workload is affected or the optics make them feel that their prospects in the company are affected. Jane's might be one of them.

It all sounds good and promising but will take too long for companies to get it right in order for it to have a positive in society now or for the next 5 - 10 years at least.

This is exactly why my Brown British DP felt he had to leave a graduate position in a big IT Silicon Valley company 10+ years ago and started his own business. Drama ensued as management were not happy that his travel and accommodation expenses were higher than a someone more senior. DP had been working abroad Mon - Fri and was their top biller whilst receiving a graduate entry salary of 18K pa. He quickly made more money self-employed than he could ever have made as a permanent employee with a dab of discrimination and missed opportunities mixed in.

In the main, the system does not work for us brown-skinned people, so we have to make our own system/mind our own brown business.
We, varying shades of brown-skinned people need to do this in order to be able to create and pass on generational wealth and/or businesses to our brown DC.
We work extra hard so we and our DC have some protection from this kind of racist shit.

On another note, the first time DP got stopped by the Police in London was when he was driving a naice company car whilst working for that big IT company. Police Officer asked him “Where did you get that ID from (work ID badge)?”

I was also incorrectly stopped by the Police in London 20+ years ago in the afternoon near to home. Another car (different make, model and colour to my car) had speed past me 10+ seconds earlier. I instantly queried why I had been pulled over, told one of the Police Officers that they must be mistaken as the car/driver in question had just sped past me. I got out of the car to go and get my ID out of my handbag in the boot. The Police then told me not to bother getting the ID and then drove off. No apology, nothing.

WakeMeUpWhenTheyHaveGone · 22/05/2022 13:42

*Oops correction - DP left graduate position 20+ years ago, then worked as an IT contractor abroad on and off for several years before starting his own IT business 10+ years ago when our DC came along. Due to that negative, soul destroying experience as a young British brown male in a sea of mainly white faces in a huge international company (in various offices throughout the UK and Europe), he has always said that he will never work for anyone again.

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