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To ask if you are worried about monkeypox?

267 replies

WhenTheNightFalls · 20/05/2022 14:30

Can't help but feel a little anxious about it all. Aibu?

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TheKeatingFive · 23/05/2022 11:29

Plenty of people on both threads have said that

Well I'm not sure why so many were misinformed, everything I read was clear that sexual contact isn't the only means of spreading it, though for obvious reasons it is an effective way

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 11:31

TheKeatingFive · 23/05/2022 11:22

you can assume the reader will understand you are talking about the disease qua disease

They'll assume you're talking about the disease currently circulating. Not a separate (though biologically related one) that isn't posing any threat to anyone right now.

It isn't a separate disease. Please stop spreading misinformation.

CupidStunt22 · 23/05/2022 11:32

Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 11:19

I say that as someone that could not have cared any less about covid.

Monkeypox affects children and unborn children.

Children generally have very close contact all day long, especially younger ones. It is not a massive leap to imagine this is going to be a significant problem by the summer or earlier unless a roll out of vaccines can be launched with the same speed and fluidity as last time.

Covid affected unborn children and children. In fact it killed them. Why didn't you care about millions of cases of Covid but you do care about a handful of cases of monkeypox?

The lack of logic people appear to have is astounding.

TheKeatingFive · 23/05/2022 11:34

It isn't a separate disease. Please stop spreading misinformation.

Its a separate strain. It's not going to morph into the other.

im not the one spreading misinformation

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 11:34

Indeed, @CupidStunt22. Some people are determined to rewrite Covid into a nothing, but people of every age died, lost people they loved and needed, and are suffering life changing disability.

Everyone should read this too:

www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/covid-children-deaths/

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 11:36

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Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 11:38

Don't be ridiculous cupid, barely any children died of covid - barely any statistically. The stats were microscopic on a global scale, and although terribly sad to have lost any child at all, deaths from covid in the younger age brackets were thankfully incredibly rare.

Monkeypox can affect all ages and unborn babies in particular, it can cause still born babies or congenital issues.

So it doesn't matter when anyone else dies or is seriously ill? Just children?

Children will always be a priority on a 'Mumsnet' website surely you should know that! Indeed children generally have inferior immune systems compared with adults, are more vulnerable and it is very hard to limit close contact with younger children making them potentially more at risk from something like monkeypox, in my view.

TheKeatingFive · 23/05/2022 11:38

It isn't a separate disease. You are a longterm poster of Covid misinformation and now you've begun to do the same with monkeypox.

okay, I couldn't be arsed with this kind of rubbish, have a lovely day now.

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 11:40

Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 11:38

Don't be ridiculous cupid, barely any children died of covid - barely any statistically. The stats were microscopic on a global scale, and although terribly sad to have lost any child at all, deaths from covid in the younger age brackets were thankfully incredibly rare.

Monkeypox can affect all ages and unborn babies in particular, it can cause still born babies or congenital issues.

So it doesn't matter when anyone else dies or is seriously ill? Just children?

Children will always be a priority on a 'Mumsnet' website surely you should know that! Indeed children generally have inferior immune systems compared with adults, are more vulnerable and it is very hard to limit close contact with younger children making them potentially more at risk from something like monkeypox, in my view.

So it doesn't matter when anyone else dies or is seriously ill? Just children?

^ please just answer the question.

And if you're that quick to dismiss the children who died of Covid, read this:

www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/covid-children-deaths/

CupidStunt22 · 23/05/2022 11:43

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She's right though. It is a seperate strain entirely (West African with a mortality rate of around 1% as opposed to Central African with 10%) and as a dna virus rather than rna, its not going to mutate much or quickly.

So you might want to dial back on the accusatory bullshit there.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/05/2022 11:47

Children will always be a priority on a 'Mumsnet' website

Quite right, and that's no doubt why there were multiple threads when the "matron" shot her mouth off about wards being full of children suffering with Covid. It wasn't true and the Telegraph pulled their article pretty sharpish, but not before the hare was up and running

Unfortunately it seems some still haven't seen scaremongering for what it is

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 11:50

@CupidStunt22 Again, I have never once said there is only one strain because I'm well aware that's not the case. That doesn't make it either incorrect or inappropriate to refer to the higher rate of mortality of the disease overall.

I'm perfectly within my rights to call out people with histories of posting Covid denial. Obviously as always, trying to stay within TGs. Grin

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 11:51

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/05/2022 11:47

Children will always be a priority on a 'Mumsnet' website

Quite right, and that's no doubt why there were multiple threads when the "matron" shot her mouth off about wards being full of children suffering with Covid. It wasn't true and the Telegraph pulled their article pretty sharpish, but not before the hare was up and running

Unfortunately it seems some still haven't seen scaremongering for what it is

www.washingtonpost.com/health/interactive/2021/covid-children-deaths/

So how many have to die for you to be interested? Are these not enough for you?

Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 11:53

you didn;t give a shit about a massive pandemic that absolutely did kill children, but you're hysterical about a tiny outbreak that has not

I was comfortable that most healthy people were relatively fine to catch covid and recover - which turned out to the case. Of course I cared about the people that died and didn't make it, but overall for most of the population covid was not terminal.

I am not so confident that Monkeypox will be as straight forward as covid, it has the potential to be very disruptive. For now, it is a small outbreak but it is widely understood that we are likely to see 'a very significant rise' in the coming weeks. No one needs to be hysterical, but many of us are noting the potential for concern, and I have children and I will never apologise for taking their health seriously.

CupidStunt22 · 23/05/2022 11:54

Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 11:53

you didn;t give a shit about a massive pandemic that absolutely did kill children, but you're hysterical about a tiny outbreak that has not

I was comfortable that most healthy people were relatively fine to catch covid and recover - which turned out to the case. Of course I cared about the people that died and didn't make it, but overall for most of the population covid was not terminal.

I am not so confident that Monkeypox will be as straight forward as covid, it has the potential to be very disruptive. For now, it is a small outbreak but it is widely understood that we are likely to see 'a very significant rise' in the coming weeks. No one needs to be hysterical, but many of us are noting the potential for concern, and I have children and I will never apologise for taking their health seriously.

You could not be more wrong and your grasp of the science is laughable. Covid was FAR more of a problem than monkey pox could ever be.

Please never ever help your children with homework.

CupidStunt22 · 23/05/2022 11:55

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 11:50

@CupidStunt22 Again, I have never once said there is only one strain because I'm well aware that's not the case. That doesn't make it either incorrect or inappropriate to refer to the higher rate of mortality of the disease overall.

I'm perfectly within my rights to call out people with histories of posting Covid denial. Obviously as always, trying to stay within TGs. Grin

This isn't about covid and you were lambasting someone who was in fact correct. Leave your grudges on the right thread.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/05/2022 11:56

I'd be interested to hear about any child dying, Innocenta, since each and every one's obviously a tragedy
However I prefer to retain a sense of overall proportion, rather than getting overexcited about the latest scare and posting emotive nonsense

Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 11:58

cupid You don't actually know that do you...Even the experts are trying to work out now just how significant Monkeypox is likely to be - the government are ordering millions of vaccines as we speak, so they are certainly expecting a considerable problem evolving.

I am not sure why you appointed yourself the world expert on Monkey pox suddenly. It is bizarre. You know as much as any of us, which is precious little at this stage. We will have to wait and see how it evolves, and what mitigations can be put in place - if any.

I am sorry to say but I think it is going to be pretty bad!

CupidStunt22 · 23/05/2022 12:03

Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 11:58

cupid You don't actually know that do you...Even the experts are trying to work out now just how significant Monkeypox is likely to be - the government are ordering millions of vaccines as we speak, so they are certainly expecting a considerable problem evolving.

I am not sure why you appointed yourself the world expert on Monkey pox suddenly. It is bizarre. You know as much as any of us, which is precious little at this stage. We will have to wait and see how it evolves, and what mitigations can be put in place - if any.

I am sorry to say but I think it is going to be pretty bad!

I do know it, the experts have said it over and over again. It's not a novel virus, we already have a vaccine, its very hard to catch and it is nothing at all as bad as covid.

You may be wetting yourself with excitement at the prospect of a pus filled pandemic but it's not going to happen. That;s not my opinion, its the people who know about it

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 12:05

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/05/2022 11:56

I'd be interested to hear about any child dying, Innocenta, since each and every one's obviously a tragedy
However I prefer to retain a sense of overall proportion, rather than getting overexcited about the latest scare and posting emotive nonsense

Do you always describe features about children dying in pandemics as 'emotive nonsense', or only when they have died from Covid?

Innocenta · 23/05/2022 12:06

@CupidStunt22 I was criticising someone who has shown they have no critical faculties when it comes to evaluating risk regarding pathogens. I don't have 'grudges', but I happen to remember the odd name of antivaxxer and antimasker types; not against TGs as far as I'm aware.

And no, they were not correct given that they described two strains as different diseases.

Swayingpalmtrees · 23/05/2022 12:07

The spread of monkeypox is through respiratory droplets, and is not 'very hard' to catch, that is a huge and largely incorrect assumption to make, and not based on any medical evidence whatsoever.

The vaccines are months away from being executed nationwide.

We will come back to this thread in 6-12 weeks time and see if you will stand by your assumptions that this is nothing at all to worry about.....

TheKeatingFive · 23/05/2022 12:12

The spread of monkeypox is through respiratory droplets, and is not 'very hard' to catch, that is a huge and largely incorrect assumption to make, and not based on any medical evidence whatsoever.

FGS, actually read what the experts are saying.

It can be passed on through these means but only during close, prolonged contact. It IS hard to catch in this way. It's not covid, which was very easy to catch via air transmission.

Your posts just sound like you're getting high on the drama of it all. If you actually read what informed people are saying, it will be clearer to you. But actually I'm not sure you want to know, you're just panicking for the sake of it.

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