To be scared of far-right extremism?

[ladylalatub]

Noone seems to care about the 10 people killed in the mass shooting in Buffalo by a young white far-right terrorist. He deliberately went to an area with a predominantly black population and targeted them. There was a comment on the Daily Mail article covering the story that it was 'community service'. If you think that it's far removed and only in America where these things happen, think again. The UK neo-Nazi group National Action had a serving soldier and a police officer involved in their terrorist extremism. Group members even wrote about infiltrating institutions and hiding their true agenda until the right moment. This is what the far-right are doing. They want a race war, but what's being done to stop them?

YANBU to be concerned about far right terrorism. Where I live (in UK) it's the main extremist risk yet it gets little attention in the media. I don't agree that noone cares about the terrible events in the US though - I was sickened by it.

The fact that only one other person expressed concern says it all.

You're right and when you hear/read articles from the media, it's focused on migrants or foreign terrorists to scare people. There isn't enough published about the dangerous right wing terrorists on their own door step. Also, some people think right wing terrorists won't attack them if they are white themselves. It's a simplistic way of looking at it and the Daily Wail loves to terrify its readship with stories of dark skinned migrants.

In America, yes there is a serious, real and very active threat.

In the U.K. personally I am more concerned with actual terrorism and in my own experience it is the far left that will become a threat. As a Jew in the U.K. I can tell you it’s been absolutely an absolutely terrifying experience in recent years. I was stuck in the house last year for a few days after Jewish women were threatened to be raped and our areas were spray painted with swastikas, kids schools being targeted by Palestinian activists outside the school gates and threats of bomb attacks on our synagogues and even nursery schools. This was all perpetuated and abated by members of the far left.

There’s a well known saying that it starts with the Jews and then spreads elsewhere. I wouldn’t compare the U.K. and the USA, two totally different societies.

Already the thread has been derailed! Thats mumsnet for you

I'm perhaps less scared of the extremists than mainstream politicians in the US being prepared to lend them support and legitimacy with their policies - we're seeing that with laws, for example, that back up homophobia and will literally get people killed because the social media support behind it is literally encouraging a viewpoint that anyone who talks to kids about homosexuality is a paedophile groomer. I think they only get truly scary as a group when they get that kind of mainstream political support.

I agree it's terrifying. The ages of those involved is also a worry.

That sounds awful but I'd assume that the swastikas were more likely to be painted by the far right then the far left & Palestinian activists.

A fellow Jew here. It's terrifying. My daughter starts nursery at a Jewish school in September, and I'm already terrified that it will be targeted.

That sounds awful but I'd assume that the swastikas were more likely to be painted by the far right then the far left & Palestinian activists.

We get it from both sides.

I don't think someone saying they're more afraid of Far Left extremism in the UK is 'derailing'.

OP, I'm not so afraid of things like that happening here, we don't have America's gun culture. But yes, I'm absolutely flabbergasted by it all and I don't believe these things will ever stop happening in the US for as long as they keep prioritising gun ownership over people.

I don't have the same sense of far right extremism here but one) I'm white and two) I'm in Scotland which is less racially heterogenous generally than England, I would say.

You'd think so and there is definitely still a danger to Jews from far right extremists in the UK although possibly not so much as during the 70s and 80s when the national front were at their peak. Nowadays those bigots seem to have turned their attention to Muslims. Unfortunately whilst one would think that people on the far left would shy away from swastikas, it does get used against Jewish people from both extremes.

I’m so sorry to hear that. CST do a really good job of intelligence gathering though so you should be ok! My mothers works in a Jewish nursery part time and they’ve had a few threats but it was dealt with so well by the police

I don’t think it’s detailing anything to state the facts in the U.K. There are definitely issues with the far right and it’s terrifying, however most of the actual incidents that have happened in this country have not been perpetuated by the far right, however awful they are… so… you only have to look at the reality.

I’m sad to say it was not from the far right (it would make more sense to me for it to have been so) - the threats to rape us too which were shouted from loud speakers while convoys drove through london was also not from the far right either, came from an organised group from Bradford. I wouldnt go so far as to say these people were even supporters of Palestine, but rather left wing fascists who use the excuse of 'world order' propaganda which unfortunately comes from the left these days.

YABU at all OP. it’s also interesting to see how your thread has quickly been converted to issues with far left as though far right extremism is a ‘nothing to see here’ thing. I feel we are being groomed to accept far right beliefs so that when the economy truly hits the skids, it will be ‘okay’ for the usual targets of the far right to be blamed and targeted.

I think it’s always important for minorities to have valid passports in case of social unrest.

Nothing's being done so stop them, probably because the establishment profit from our fear and terror and don't give one hoot how many of us are killed.

It happens both ways, a black guy drove into a crowd of white kids in a racially motivated attack.

They are fostering a race war via media and stirring up hatred.

Really is that the case or is that just the political correct view. In the last 20 years in terms of terrorists attack deaths how many were far right and how many were Islamic. Maybe you can look at the arrest figures they are published on the gov website for the UK. They also don't seem to back up your view. So no I'm not worried about far right terrorism because the facts don't show this.

Thread is being derailed- I believe it was started to discuss the attacks in Buffalo?

Or of course a cursory look at Wikipedia (start from the bottom) en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain

This.

@AG247 leftwing fascism 🤔. It's far rightwing that fascism comes from.

What gets me is it's papers like the Daily Mail (the conscience of Middle England) that fuels so much right wing extremism. As well as the usual suspects like Rupert Murdoch and Farage. Now we've got more right wing news outlets in GB News and Talk TV.

The question asked was about far right extremism it could have focussed on the US but that wasn't explicitly asked. And indeed the first response was about UK terrorism with the expected Mumsnet hand wringing. The thread was probably derailed at the first comment but the op didn't complain at them to get back on topic so I assume it is within scope.

Johnson's culture wars aren't helping either (at least in the UK).

In the US they're still recovering from the Trump years and he could be next president. UK and US politics have well and truly lost the plot.