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To be scared of far-right extremism?

51 replies

ladylalatub · 18/05/2022 19:58

Noone seems to care about the 10 people killed in the mass shooting in Buffalo by a young white far-right terrorist. He deliberately went to an area with a predominantly black population and targeted them. There was a comment on the Daily Mail article covering the story that it was 'community service'. If you think that it's far removed and only in America where these things happen, think again. The UK neo-Nazi group National Action had a serving soldier and a police officer involved in their terrorist extremism. Group members even wrote about infiltrating institutions and hiding their true agenda until the right moment. This is what the far-right are doing. They want a race war, but what's being done to stop them?

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Oscarthedog · 22/05/2022 09:51

User135644 · 22/05/2022 09:46

What gets me is it's papers like the Daily Mail (the conscience of Middle England) that fuels so much right wing extremism. As well as the usual suspects like Rupert Murdoch and Farage. Now we've got more right wing news outlets in GB News and Talk TV.

But it isn't an issue. Click on the Wikipedia link right wing terrorism is incredibly small. You are degrees of magnitudes more likely to encounter Islamic terrorism. This isn't islamaphobia this is simply fact.

LunaTheCat · 22/05/2022 09:56

I am in New Zealand. We have had a far right terrorist attack and kill 50 people at a Mosque. If it can happen here it can happen anywhere.

Oscarthedog · 22/05/2022 10:02

LunaTheCat · 22/05/2022 09:56

I am in New Zealand. We have had a far right terrorist attack and kill 50 people at a Mosque. If it can happen here it can happen anywhere.

Perhaps it can. But in the UK this hasn't been a problem yet and I and when it is is should be stamped out.

Throwawaytoday · 22/05/2022 10:08

Daily Mail comments are utter filth and a sad indictment of humanity.

I'm not a natural target for far right extremists... the reason I say this is because I'm a White non-immigrant (or rather, maybe an 8th generation immigrant). It's awful that those two things make such a difference to my life experience.

The Bob Dylan song Only A Pawn In Their Game may have been released in 1964, and it's shocking that the words still ring true.

Yes, far right extremists frighten me. But they also anger me, it's just so insidious, backward and unjust.

Crimeismymiddlename · 22/05/2022 10:09

I am too. I live in a very diverse town that has had to ban serveral far right groups.
People seem to see far right racists as normal.

BorisJohnsonatemyhampster · 22/05/2022 10:15

@andtheycalledthewindmoriah

‘It happens both ways, a black guy drove into a crowd of white kids in a racially motivated attack.’

I’m unfamiliar with this story. Can you please provide a link?

andtheycalledthewindmoriah · 22/05/2022 10:23

BorisJohnsonatemyhampster · 22/05/2022 10:15

@andtheycalledthewindmoriah

‘It happens both ways, a black guy drove into a crowd of white kids in a racially motivated attack.’

I’m unfamiliar with this story. Can you please provide a link?

Was this not on the television news?

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/nov/22/several-injured-after-car-speeds-through-christmas-parade-in-wisconsin-reports

www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/suspect-deadly-waukesha-holiday-parade-crash-says-feels-demonized-rcna7346

Witheringtong · 22/05/2022 10:25

Incels are being driven/manipulated by the far Right. They aren't a separate culture from the Right.

Hoppinggreen · 22/05/2022 10:25

I am concerned with extremism from anyone at all and my heart goes out to anyone who experiences it.
As a white Mc woman who is ethnically “British” (whatever that really means) I am personally more likely to be targeted by the extreme left though so my concern is probably more in that direction. However, I appreciate that for other groups and communities far right extremism is more of a threat.

Oscarthedog · 22/05/2022 10:27

So a review by the government has concluded that Islamic terrorism is the highest risk in a country where 4% are Islamic. And some people disagree surprise surprise in the guardian. Still not backed up by actually deaths from terrorism though here in the UK. So I'm not overly convinced by that article.

emuloc · 22/05/2022 10:27

andtheycalledthewindmoriah · 22/05/2022 09:36

Nothing's being done so stop them, probably because the establishment profit from our fear and terror and don't give one hoot how many of us are killed.

It happens both ways, a black guy drove into a crowd of white kids in a racially motivated attack.

They are fostering a race war via media and stirring up hatred.

When and where did this happen? I don't recall hearing about this incident.

user1471504747 · 22/05/2022 10:28

YANBU - also incel extremism, which in my opinion is often closely linked.

I’ve seen usually very very reasonable and smart people try to defend some actions of the far right and that doesn’t give me much hope either.

The casual acceptance of certain opinions, and structural racism and misogyny of society and police etc is what makes it particularly scary.

Oscarthedog · 22/05/2022 10:29

Either way all terrorism is bad. And none should be allowed to exist and should be stamped out hard.

BorisJohnsonatemyhampster · 22/05/2022 10:30

@andtheycalledthewindmoriah - where in those articles does it say it was a racially motivated attack or terrorism’. An excerpt from one of the articles:

“Mental illness is real and the system is broken it can and must be fixed NOW, not next year or with a new legislation NOW. So many like Darrell that have fallen through the cracks because of a broken system that no one cared to address, can get the help they so desperately need,” Woods wrote in the letter, first obtained by WDJT-TV.

At the time of the crash, Brooks was out on $1,000 bail in a Milwaukee County case in which he is accused of intentionally striking a woman with his car. He was charged in that case on Nov. 5.

He’s also a defendant in another Milwaukee County case from 2020 in which he’s charged with shooting at his nephew and another person’.

user1471504747 · 22/05/2022 10:31

Sorry posted too soon - when there is such levels of extremism amongst angry men - and let’s face it, most attacks are by men - then I wouldn’t be surprised if it ramped up to be more organised.

We’re very lucky in the UK to have such tight gun controls. We’re much more likely to see individual victims of this ideology rather than mass attacks, but unless it’s being properly dealt with I don’t see how that’s really all that much better.

andtheycalledthewindmoriah · 22/05/2022 10:33

BorisJohnsonatemyhampster · 22/05/2022 10:30

@andtheycalledthewindmoriah - where in those articles does it say it was a racially motivated attack or terrorism’. An excerpt from one of the articles:

“Mental illness is real and the system is broken it can and must be fixed NOW, not next year or with a new legislation NOW. So many like Darrell that have fallen through the cracks because of a broken system that no one cared to address, can get the help they so desperately need,” Woods wrote in the letter, first obtained by WDJT-TV.

At the time of the crash, Brooks was out on $1,000 bail in a Milwaukee County case in which he is accused of intentionally striking a woman with his car. He was charged in that case on Nov. 5.

He’s also a defendant in another Milwaukee County case from 2020 in which he’s charged with shooting at his nephew and another person’.

It doesn't say it there. The truth is not always spoon fed.

His facebook posts were shared shortly after.

If a white person who had a facebook filled with racial hatred did an attack like this on the black population, but the article did not way it was racially motivated, what would your conclusion be?

BorisJohnsonatemyhampster · 22/05/2022 10:38

@andtheycalledthewindmoriah

‘His facebook posts were shared shortly after.’

Interesting that neither the media nor the police appear to be aware of these posts. Would you mind sharing the link or screen shots of what you discovered please?

Oscarthedog · 22/05/2022 10:41

I was wondering when someone would shoe horn incel into this and being Mumsnet it wouldn't be long. I'm not seeing much if any of that in the news. Although as with all these things the left try to tie things that aren't far right or incels together with those catagories to get them forced of the agenda they can't win the argument so try to get these thoughts classified as unacceptable by association.

emuloc · 22/05/2022 10:43

From the article, no where does it reference/ state, that he set out to commit an act of terror based on race.

emuloc · 22/05/2022 10:44

x post.

user1471504747 · 22/05/2022 10:45

Oscarthedog · 22/05/2022 10:41

I was wondering when someone would shoe horn incel into this and being Mumsnet it wouldn't be long. I'm not seeing much if any of that in the news. Although as with all these things the left try to tie things that aren't far right or incels together with those catagories to get them forced of the agenda they can't win the argument so try to get these thoughts classified as unacceptable by association.

Do you 100% trust the news to give you the full story of every story?

Can you explain why any of the posters are wrong?

DdraigGoch · 22/05/2022 15:39

I'm not particularly scared about terrorism in general in the UK. It's so rare in any form that it just doesn't factor on a list of threats I perceive myself to face. Doubtless this is mostly down to our very effective intelligence and security services, coupled with strict gun control laws that make it difficult to obtain a weapon capable of committing a massacre. I'm far more concerned about the risk of being stabbed for my phone when visiting London, it feels like a much more likely threat.

Valeriekat · 25/05/2022 19:41

Define fascism.

ICanSmellSummerComing · 25/05/2022 19:51

Anyone's whose studied politics will know that the far left and the far right meet In the middle? Ie the Same.

No extremists are good are they.